Pastycrimper Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Ahoy, Been ages since I've been online here.....last time I was I was alluding to pretty much a full rebuild after rust MOT failure on the chassis. Well after months, even though Landy not having moved and inch, we have pretty much sourced and sorted everything required for the job (new gaved bulkhead, chassis, all brackets, tappings, runners shotblasted and galvanised and all the ancilleries - bushes, ss brke pipes, suspension, new wiring harness etc etc). And then the idea is thrown to me - why not replace the axles too? And the more I think, given that almost everything else is being replaced maybe I should go the whole hog and do axles as well? especially since end of the line defender roll out. My current ones are good internally (oil always changed etc etc) but flange ends, sphere mounts, and bracket mounuts externally are pretty corroded - they look tatty for sure. So it begs the question do I try and source brand new axles and if so from where? Also I understand after 2007(???) rear 110 axles were changed from Salisbury to a later type. I always heard Salisbury were the tough ones - - do I have a choice in 2016 and if so what would be the better rear axle. Or do I go for finding properly done reconditioned ones? Well I am in the deep end now having spent so much on parts. But maybe now is the time given everything else will be off and rebuilt. All opinions always welcomed........ Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 do the chassis & bulkhead first, get MOT sorted & use the truck, after a while then swap each axle if you believe it's required, if you try to do to much in one bite, the loss of interest could creep in very quickly. I just did my galv chassis change & only replaced items [bushes] as required, simply because I needed it back on the road as soon as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmayco68 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Hi, just saw on ebay salop 4x4 selling ex mod new 110 heavy duty Salisbury axles and diff for £640 if that's any good for you cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 You'd be better off fixing up the ones you have, strip, blast, repair the cases as required and paint up or galv as you see fit.... Rebuild the swivels with new balls, bearings and seals. And be safe on the knowledge that your axles are as good as they can be. Not hiding the mess I found in our discoverys front axle at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 .......and if you re condition your own original axles you have one less thing to worry about with regard to preserving its identity. Also when you bust a wheel bearing or a calliper ten years down the line you can easily work out what bits to order, when you convert you always have to remember what bits you used where . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 Thanks folks. I've no idea why but I am somewhat scared of reconditioning the current ones myself. There's also the time issue. It seems to have taken ages to get to the point where I am now and I haven't started the real work yet - but also someone else will be doing the bulk of the re-chassising as I dont have all the space/tools required. I feel if I shifted the axles to my Dads farm and tried to recon them there I'd end up delaying the whole project siginificantly longer and I have reached the point where I need the pleasure of driving her back on/off the road.I'm completely split - the sensible side says keep the current ones, looking after them and see how they go as Ralph suggested. That said I haven't seen prices for new ones. Been looking on ebay - huge price variations. I noticed on the Simmonites website they were selling a new front axle for around £1300 inc VAT or thereabouts. I'll have to enjoy ringing land rover and seeing what they charge over the counter. I've always been scared of buying reconditioned parts due to bad experiences in the past. If anyone knows personally people who specialise in reconditoning LR axles and can recommend I'd be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I'd do them for you if your local. Done my 110s twice due to a drunkard bending it's original axle. Just done 1 side on the Disco, done a mates series 3 and the mother on laws Disco and nothing fell off them yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocklandjohn Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 When I had my galvy chassis fitted I got the 110's 20 year old axles taken down to a shot blaster and got them cleaned up and hot zinc sprayed then overpainted with some oil rig paint they had lying around (they do a lot of marine-related work) . So far I've got no seaweed or barnacles growing underneath so it seems to work really well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Axles are the easiest bits of the rebuild. If you are not confident to do those then I really wouldn't bother with the rest of the rebuild. Really. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Would the person who's doing the bulk of the re-chassis do your axles for you ? Or could you proceed without rebuilding them and look out for a set second hand, that you can recondition as a learning project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 When you say "new" axles do you mean new-to-you secondhand parts or new-as-from-the-LR-factory-fully-documented-with-supporting-paperwork? I've never had any issues [either personally, or from the various licensing-authorities] with swapping old parts for properly-documented factory-replacement parts, or stuff like gearboxes/transfer-boxes swapped-out for properly traceable ex-MoD parts. Paperwork, traceability, and proof-that-you've-paid-VAT are the supporting issues here. Random secondhand parts bought-off-Ebay can land you in big trouble if the police or VOSA get snarky. Don't buy from random sellers on Ebay - make sure the seller is a properly VAT-registered business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktdi Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 As above the axles are not hard to recon your self . But if you cant manage then simmonites do recon axles and there stuff is realy good they have been trading a long time and they know what they are doing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 OK Firstly I got called back to the North Sea. So I wasn't ignoring the responses just no internet. As always thanks for thoughts and ideas..... Axles are the easiest bits of the rebuild.If you are not confident to do those then I really wouldn't bother with the rest of the rebuild. Really.Mo Hey Mo, I totally agree! I wasn't clear in the OP. I am not doing the rebuild myself - merely just assisting with the things I can do and mainly trying to project manage. I helped my Dad years ago do much of a rebuild on his S3 which was great fun but I am by no means the man for the job but it's mainly my offshore working schedule - I know if I tried this on my own it would end up taking years. I actually want to do my axles but not this time - think I'd enjoy it! When you say "new" axles do you mean new-to-you secondhand parts or new-as-from-the-LR-factory-fully-documented-with-supporting-paperwork?I've never had any issues [either personally, or from the various licensing-authorities] with swapping old parts for properly-documented factory-replacement parts, or stuff like gearboxes/transfer-boxes swapped-out for properly traceable ex-MoD parts.Paperwork, traceability, and proof-that-you've-paid-VAT are the supporting issues here. Random secondhand parts bought-off-Ebay can land you in big trouble if the police or VOSA get snarky. Don't buy from random sellers on Ebay - make sure the seller is a properly VAT-registered business. I haven't even dare ask LR what an RRP full axle is! I've heard that just a casing from LR is £2000. I was hoping to maybe get one from a bona-fide breakers or a reputable supplier. The only leads so far with Simmonites who are advertising a new front as well as reconditioned front and rears. But yes I'd much rather traceability than a rogue ebay number. Looking again - I may just proceed with the front only as my rear Salisbury doesn't look so bad. Probably just clean it up and fit new discs, callipers and SS pipes I'd do them for you if your local. Done my 110s twice due to a drunkard bending it's original axle. Just done 1 side on the Disco, done a mates series 3 and the mother on laws Disco and nothing fell off them yet. Vulcan! Having read many of your posts then this sounds great BUT I'm as unlocal to anyone given I'm 6 miles from Lands End then not so convenient. (Aside from Ralph who's not far at all!).All in all she's been off the road long enough now - it's more an issue of time - I'd love to recon them myself. I think the Simonites recon route is the way to go given my schedule this year. I think my next job is off the UK coast probably so if I sail into Great Yarmouth I intend on asking the Bosun for the Jotun Marine Paint they use on the decks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwakers Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 your not that far from me either and if i had the space id do it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Has anyone purchased any parts from Thornton Breakers? I notice they have a lot of Defenders currently breaking and was thinking about enquiring for relatively new axles with these guys (ssuming the axle itslef hasn't been damaged itslef in an accident) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 there a long way up country, not heard of them before, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 there a long way up country, not heard of them before, Yeah....I just spoke with them. I've always been a bit wary of breakers but it would appear they are getting a lot of LRs only presumably insurance write offs. He sounded much more helpful than many a breaker I've spoken with. Think I may bit the bullet. He has an 2014 plate front axle and a 2012 rear sounding in near perfect condition (and abviously a lot newer than my axles) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mack Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 ^^what sort of prices is he asking for puma axles? i think i might replace mine in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 £450 for front £750 for rear (Delivery to UK mainland address £73) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mack Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 slightly mad that rear is so much more than front!!! supply and demand i guess! rear is a popular conversion for older 110s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy50 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Nothing wrong with Thornton Breakers ,local to me and have used them before . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Enjoyed chatting with them today - explained my current rebuild sob story (which is true so far) and sounds like they have what I wanted.....we will see as i made the order. Fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Hunter Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Slightly off topic but if you get axles galved how do you protect the machined surfaces? Are you restricted to hot or cold spray galv treatments, as mentioned above by Jocklandjohn, as opposed to hot dip galv? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 Axles received promptly on Monday. Very happy with them.....hoped they'd throw the radius arms in and the PH Rod bracket (chassis end) but otherwise next to brand new very good condition axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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