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MoT Balljoint Gaiter Failure - getting scared....


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Just had the P38 Mk2 fail on split gaiters on both front ball joints.

What is involved in changing the gaiters on both front balljoints (not track rod ends!) Some threads (elsewhere, can't find anything here!) I have read talk about special tooling required and upwards of £1000/side at a main stealer!

Is this kit all required for just changing the gaiter?

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Peter

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Ball joint unfortunately! I'm going to have to remove them anyway just to replace the gaiter/boot, so any recommendations on which tool to use?

Any experience with this one - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mechanics-Automotive-10pc-Ball-Joint-Removal-Service-Tool-Kit-Car-Van-Garage-New-/140870063432?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20cc829548?

or

http://tinyurl.com/lra3xwt

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Peter

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I've just done this on my disco 2, with that kit from that seller! Also because of an MOT failure

  1. Buy replacement nuts. The bottom ball joint nut especially will have been exposed to all the salt and corrosion thrown up by the wheels, so will require Mr Angry Grinder to remove. The nuts are M14x1.5 and M16x1.5, so NOT stocked by DIY places
  2. Lube the thread on the 'clamp'
  3. Torque required to press out ball joints will be many, many grunts. I used 3/4" breaker bar with scaf-pole extension
  4. In case you haven't seen it, have a read here and here. Don't worry if you don't parler français (or even ozzie!), the pictures will help.
  5. I took the halfshaft/wheel hub out as one assembly, which meant for belt and braces I needed to replace the oil seal. For the sake of £4.50...that said I don't know if the P38 has the same arrangement.
  6. Careful doing above, I think I graunched the ABS sensor cable so now have ABS light showing on dash (sigh).

Hope that helps

Matt

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If it's only gaiters you don't have to remove the ball joints, you can buy the rubber boots from eurocarparts. It's a pain of a job, stripping the hub is simple enough just time consuming but once thats done, it's a case of seperating the joints and changing the boots before reassembling.

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Again, good advice, but if the gaiters are split, there may be rubbish in there and if I have to go to all the pain to get the hubs out, I may as well change the ball oints complete! Save me coming back in 12 or 24 months and doing the job again. The tool was £45 so not too bad....

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Peter

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I see your point and would normally agree, but i will be amazed if the tool works. I've done a few now and every one i've had to resort to burning the ball joints out with the oxy acetelene. Good luck!!

As I said above, the tool worked for me, albeit with nipsy-clenching amounts of torque needing to be applied to it. The thread appeared not to show any signs of wear afterwards. Like most DIYers, I can't justify an oxyacetylene setup.

Matt

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Day 1 update!

One side completed. Took a lot longer than I expected. Most things were actually straight forward and splitting the hub carrier was a bit scary, but I didn't break anything! In terms of time taken, it was about 3 hours to get to the stage that the ball-joints were removed (that £45 kit on ebay did what was required (I needed a 3/4" breaker bar plus a scaffolding pole)) but it worked! The ABS sensor was a bit scary, but came out with a bit of tugging - does it still work? - I'll find out after I've done the other side!

10 minutes to replace the lower ball joint

90 minutes to replace the upper ball joint - I could not get it started square, it kept on going sideways, took a long time to get that in. When I did, probably no more than an hour to put everything back.

I'll report on how the other side goes tomorrow!

Cheers

Peter

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I had a bad starting A frame BJ once, used a round file on the side it was tight on and hanging up and opened it up a few thou just to help it in, worked a treat along with a smear of copper slip in the hole to try and make getting it back out less of a ball ache.

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Started with some trepidation this morning! What was I going to find, what new tricks was she going to pull?

4 hours from start to finish! Took it for a run and even the ABS light went off. Also, quite pleased that our local motor factors does boots for Track Rod Ends (yes I split the ones already fitted getting them off) and at only £3.00 each, they save all the messing about with the tracking.

So, a result, thanks for all your help and advice. That kit from ebay did the stuff very well, but I made up a couple of special spaces to fit the range rover and Udderly Offroad, maybe I was lucky, but if you put the suspension on highest, remove the top ball joint first, then the screw fits through the hole where the top ball joint was to remove the lower one and it also means that if you replace them in reverse order, you can have the G clamp square.

Now having seen the state on one of my front calipers, that's next for replacement!

Cheers

Peter

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Useful info thanks Puffernutter for detailing. Just done rear brakes including bleeding. Disco2 shares common parts so don't be surprised if you can find cheaper by looking for disco parts with mods. My example on other post was rear mud shields, £80 P38 or £22 disco2 with cutting some metal from axle tube profile.

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