how to place 2 jerrycans on a series 3

[peter42]

I would like to attach 2 jerrycans to a series 3. This in order to make the range fit with the distance that i want to make without fueling up. Any suggestions on how to do that?

Thanks,

Peter

[Josh NZ]

Hi Peter.

What configuration is your truck? Hard top, truck cab, canvas top etc.

Can you fabricate items or are you looking to buy off the shelf?

Our Army here in NZ used Stage 1 V8 series 3s as their primary vehicles for years and I think they had a double jerrycan holder on the rear tailgate or on the back of the tub. Google images will be your friend on that one.

Otherwise you could look at some MOD vehicles and see if there's anything there you could use.

Google is your best bet for inspiration, and there are some very clever folk on here who have probably done exactly what you want to do!

Hope that helps!

Josh

[ejparrott]

I've seen them sat in the inset, one each side, just over the chassis rails and tucked against the wings. Can't be done with anything other than a Series 3, all the earlier ones had headlights there.

[mickeyw]

What configuration and wheelbase is your truck?

LWB with 3 doors have space for lockers in the side, ahead of the rear wheels. I think the military version accommodates 2 Jerricans each side.

[David Sparkes]

MickeyW is correct (LWB with 3 doors have space for lockers in the side, ahead of the rear wheels.), I have attached a Def 110 parts listing.

My other thought is something that came up recently in a thread on the forum of the Series 2 Club.

Towards the end of the thread there are links to parts listings showing the fitment of Defender 16 UK Gallon tank(s).

I haven't seen an installation myself, but it seems to involve cutting off the front fuel tank outrigger, bolting on the Defender outrigger, and fitting the Defender tank, which is configured for side fill.

If you only fit one tank you only gain ~27 litres, (16 v 10 gallons), whereas the two jerricans gives 40 additional litres.

One tank would mean finding space for only one jerrican, but if you can sacrifice the underseat storage on the passenger side, fitting a second Defender tank there, you would end up with an additional ~72 + ~27, perhaps an extra 100 litres.

A lot depends on the configuration of your existing vehicle, wheelbase, exhaust routing, etc.

HTH

[GBMUD]

Fit some lashing rings in the back and tie securely to those, on the floor ideally. I would go for fitting them against the rear bulkhead, well tied in - though I accept that this limits accessibility. It is possible to fit a second duel tank on a S3 IIRC.

Chris

[tacr2man]

When i ran a 109 i fitted the optional underseat tank on o/s (UK) 45ltrs , just needs a front support the rear bolts to existing outrigger

I have done same with my 110. Another option if you already have that as main tank , is fit sw tank under centre rear (16galls) , this also allows you to fit under wing behind rear wheel aux tank 11 galls. The series three option for jerry cans is in front of radiator sideways on against front wings , if not stage 1 front . These should not be used for petrol due to danger in a collision, just about ok with diesel , but more suited for water. Auxillary tanks are a better solution. It is possible to fit under front seat tank on left as well ,

but does require moving battery under bonnet (if not already there) , or as per military option in carrier in front centre seat position , HTSH

[Bowie69]

I would go with the second under-seat tank, easy and pretty cheap to do

[peter42]

Thanks for all the info. I am looking to buy a series 3 long wheel base station wagon. In two weeks will go to the shop to have a look again. If I go for it, then they will take about 4 month to restore the car.

As I drive often a distance of a little over 400 miles, I look how I can extend the range of it.

[ejparrott]

109 SW will have a rear tank, and in my case a massive hole under the drivers seat, as it's the same seatbox as an 88 or 109 with front tank. With a bit of jiggery, a modified front tank could easily be fitted there. Depending on where you battery is, you may well be able to do the same the passenger side - I have a toolbox there on mine. You'd be looking at around an extra 10g/45lt each there.

[Bowie69]

Yep, on a 109 you could end up with a massive range, and a big bill when you fill up

I am pretty sure you could get wing tanks, where the lockers mentioned above would fit, but can only find 110 versions when I had a very quick search.

[peter42]

I had a look at the extra fuel tank. Actually interesting. Have to see if that is available in Thailand. Maybe I will print it out and ask around.

[tacr2man]

just google "military land rover fuel tank" plenty of info , and pics just need a length of 25mm angle ( approx 20 inches , and cut off 4 inches and weld as a "t " to side of chassis , the rear bolt and washer s & insulators are standard landy parts HTSH

[Snagger]

I have a 109 with three fuel tanks and the MoD110 jerry can lockers in the sides. The standard rear tank is 18 IGal, each front tank (MoD/optional extra tank under-seat fill type) are 12 IGal each. The front tanks are mounted at their rear end on the middle outrigger. You will need to fit new outriggers t support he front of the tanks, and these will be available through Marsland, Richards Chassis, Dunsfold Land Rover or Craddocks.

The front tanks won't fit a staion wagon as they are - their rear upper corners occupy the secnd row foot well space and the lateral beam of the SW body between the B-pillars, but you could modifiy the tanks to fit the space. I think 109 ambulance bodies cause the same problem and have shorter tanks of 10 IGal to compensate. You will need fuel selector taps to connect the tanks and either a fuel guage selector mechainsm or separate gauges. Have a look in the fuel system section of my blog to see how I did it with standard MoD parts (click my signature below).

The 110 side lockers fit, but they need careful positioning and a little modification as the 109 wheel arch is further forward than a 110's. You will need to trim the steel frame and the front of the floor panel to sit it on the outrugger. The door and rear box panel (mudshield) fit without alteration.

[peter42]

Just was thinking again. The advantage of regular jerrycans is that I could use the diesel in them also in my other car. So thinking again how I could put two jerrycans on the land rover series 3 station wagon long wheel base.

[Brian]

I have always needed a lot of range for the places I go and have had quite a few solutions to this. I have also carried some heavy loads, but never when I could avoid it. In 1973, when I did my second trans-sahara trip, I had bought a 14 year old Series II 109 station wagon for the trip and, apart from some servicing, it did need a bit extra fuel capacity. The vehicle came with factory fitted long range tanks, the standard one at the back and an extra one under the front right hand seat, as others have suggested above. Mine had a changeover tap on the front bulkhead, which also switched the fuel gauge to, theoretically, read from the tank selected on the tap. That gave us a total of 26 imp gallons, or just short of 120 litres.

Not bad, but not good enough for the route we intended, which was bad or non existent road, with resultant high consumption, for 900 miles/1440 kms. We took an easier route in the end, due to other factors, (red tape), but still did one stretch close to that mileage. Not too many fuel stations in the Sahara, once you are away from the coastal bits.

The solution was jerrycans, of course and more than you are planning ! However, I drew a rough plan out on some paper (not quite the back of a fag packet, but close enough) and had a local aluminium expert make up a couple of jerrycan panniers for us, from 6mm square aluminium tubing, all welded. Each had apertures exactly sized for standard jerrycans, with a bar across the top that could be padlocked to prevent casual loss of fuel and/or jerrycans. We saw that we could arrange to have three jerrycans on the left rear of the Land Rover and two on the right. The latter having the fuel filler for the rear tank in the way, of course.

Here a couple of pictures from that trip, illustrating the finished articles, which were simply bolted onto the vehicle sides.

left side :

Right side :

Tropic of Cancer :

I hope you find this of interest, at least and maybe even help !

[peter42]

Hi Brian

thanks for the update. Indeed, interesting. Still thinking if I should go for the extra tank in the front or jerrycans. Not sure yet. If going for the jerrycans also wondering where to put them. I think for the range I have in mind (750 km / 466 miles) I think two jerry cans should be enough. Or just one extra tank in the front. Have to see if the tank in the front is available.

Thanks,

Peter

[tacr2man]

I have a 109 with three fuel tanks and the MoD110 jerry can lockers in the sides. The standard rear tank is 18 IGal, each front tank (MoD/optional extra tank under-seat fill type) are 12 IGal each. The front tanks are mounted at their rear end on the middle outrigger. You will need to fit new outriggers t support he front of the tanks, and these will be available through Marsland, Richards Chassis, Dunsfold Land Rover or Craddocks.

The front tanks won't fit a staion wagon as they are - their rear upper corners occupy the secnd row foot well space and the lateral beam of the SW body between the B-pillars, but you could modifiy the tanks to fit the space. I think 109 ambulance bodies cause the same problem and have shorter tanks of 10 IGal to compensate. You will need fuel selector taps to connect the tanks and either a fuel guage selector mechainsm or separate gauges. Have a look in the fuel system section of my blog to see how I did it with standard MoD parts (click my signature below).

The 110 side lockers fit, but they need careful positioning and a little modification as the 109 wheel arch is further forward than a 110's. You will need to trim the steel frame and the front of the floor panel to sit it on the outrugger. The door and rear box panel (mudshield) fit without alteration.

I have fitted the mod underseat tanks (top fill) on both my station wagons (109 stage 1V8 , & 110CSW V8 ) without any probs

just had to make a front mount . With the current engine range 1100miles. HTSH

[Snagger]

Go for the front tanks over cans for the following reasons:

More secure;

Lower centre of gravity;

Between axles, so CoG is near centre of wheelbase;

Safer;

Complies with national regs (many countries don't permit cans carried in certain locations, like bumper, roof racks or internally);

Can select another tank without stopping the vehicle.

The only down side is a lack of flexibility - if you need to transfer fuel to or from another vehicle, you'll have to syphon or drain the tanks. So, it's worth having one or two cans too, which is where the lockers come in - legal in every country, still good on CoG counts, secure and safe. Best of both worlds.

I use my lockers for carrying lubricants and water cans. There is space for me to make dedicated oil carrying panniers between the bulkhead outriggers and front tank outriggers, which would be done for a major expedition. I could also fit a water tank under the front half of the tub floor to free up the lockers, but I prefer using water cans to fixed tanks as they're easier to replenish and can be easily carried to washing and cooking areas.

[tacr2man]

craddocks ell the later version here

http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/other/military/parts/fuel-system/fuel-tanks-and-ancillaries/stc613-fuel-tank-under-seat-military-lh-or-rhneeds-filler-cap-ntc2757-.html

another earlier type

http://www.johnrichardssurplus.co.uk/fuel-tank-military-type-stc613.html

HTSH

Brian those pics are so what made landrover !

Any more ?

[David Sparkes]

craddocks ell the later version here

http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/other/military/parts/fuel-system/fuel-tanks-and-ancillaries/stc613-fuel-tank-under-seat-military-lh-or-rhneeds-filler-cap-ntc2757-.html

another earlier type

http://www.johnrichardssurplus.co.uk/fuel-tank-military-type-stc613.html

HTSH

The John Richards link gives a 404 error.

This site search on stc613 shows both styles, although the clamshell one is out of stock it does show the different cap required, compared to the 'old fashioned' cap of the original tank. Obviously click through the search results to see the details.

http://www.johnrichardssurplus.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=stc613

HTH

[Brian]

Brian those pics are so what made landrover !

Any more ?

Hi, not a lot I'm afraid, I have found some, but more than half are either lost or in a box I haven't found yet. That was more than 40 years ago

here's what I have so far :

http://www.chat-africa.co.za/upload/brian/sahara173/index.htm

[peter42]

Thanks for the ideas again. Will check what is available. Indeed maybe a good idea to go for both. The flexibility of jerrycans is nice as the LR will be my second diesel car.