garrycol Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Has anyone got a Thor inlet manifold on their 101 engine?? If so what arrangement did put in place for the gear lever linkage, particularly if you have the 24v alternator? Pics?? If the older Gems/hotwire injection system is used a new link rod needs to be made with a bend in it needs to be made and I assume that the same is required for the Thor but the rear of the Thor manifold is higher so further bends may be needed. Thanks Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The 2 I've converted to 14CUX efi both had the original linkage altered to go over the top. The first one I managed to get right just heating and bending the tube, the second was bent into its new shape, but needed a short extension (an inch or two) and a little nodding to the back of the engine cover and the small panel between the engine and gearbox covers. Fortunately, you know the second truck and it's owner, and he'll no doubt be happy to supply a few photos of how it was put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Fortunately, you know the second truck and it's owner, and he'll no doubt be happy to supply a few photos of how it was put together. Yes and as soon as he gets back from holidays I will get some pics from him. However he has the hotwire system and ideally I want the Thor which seems to be wider than the 4CUX system but still as high. I want to go Thor but this may be a stopper - I have a dead bare 4.6 block so when I take my 3.5 out I will use the block to test fit and see what actually works and what does not. As an aside his mechanic has convinced him to change to 4CUX ECU to another 4CUX ECU but I have councilled against this as I suspect the current ECU has been remapped to match the other performance mods on the engine. A Tornado remap? I have asked him to check with the previous owner to check whether his current ECU is mapped or not. I would hate to see him loose a lot of performance changing back to a standard ECU - I don't know and he needs to check. Vehicle runs well though. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I had a chat with him about it a few weeks back. I think we got sorted about what had been done and the best way forward. I recall the Thor manifold being a bit wider, but don't see it being a major issue with modding the linkage similarly to the 14CUX setup as the sideways movement is no more than about 3 inches total. It could be a bit more of a headache if you want to run distributorless ignition and leave the coil packs at the back of the plenum, mostly as you'd need to make more of a mod to the back of the engine cover for clearance. You've probably mentioned it before on one of the many fora, but what control system are you going to use for it? Locating everything under the covers could be a bit more fun depending on what else needs to go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 That conversation would have been at my prompting - I was concerned he might make changes that would be detrimental - he obviously can make whatever changes he likes but he needs to know what mods you had made first. I have a an old spare bare 4.6 block with 2 slipped liners so is easily moved around by hand - when I pull my engine out I will put in the bare block as see what is what - also looking at lower the drivers side of the engine and gearbox to try and reduce the front drive shaft rumble - I have a different and shaft that is no where near as noisy as the original but it still annoys me. I was going to get the Bosch ECU modified so it will run as a stand alone unit - actually cost effective. However I the realised there would not be a way to diagnose issues with sensors, injectors etc so would also have to put in an OBD ports and buy a Nanocom etc - making the cost much larger. Then as you mentioned the Thor may not fit without so I am not sure. MS3, MS2 or even MS1 should run it depending on whether I go batch or sequential. So if the Thor manifold fits and I can rig up the gearbox link then I am now leaning towards a MS3 ECU and some of Niges goodies to make the manifold more user friendly - eg thermostat and airflow meter. Other options are the 4CUX manifold which I have with either a MS or even a remapped ECU, 2" SUs on the standard manifold or a Weber Edelbrock 500 Carb on the edelbrock manifold. I have the timing covers etc to go either dissy or no dissy depending on what I decide on. I will put the bare block in first and sit the various inlet manifolds on to ensure every thing fits - or so I can make any mods I need too. Cheers Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 You can do most diagnostics on the Bosch ECU with a regular OBD reader (and thus also a cheap ELM327 adapter + a smartphone), except reset fuel trims. MS3 to interface with the gearbox sounds nice in theory, but will only work if you add MegaShift. MS3's CANbus is meant to communicate with other MS ECUs, not any ECU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 You can do most diagnostics on the Bosch ECU with a regular OBD reader (and thus also a cheap ELM327 adapter + a smartphone), except reset fuel trims. MS3 to interface with the gearbox sounds nice in theory, but will only work if you add MegaShift. MS3's CANbus is meant to communicate with other MS ECUs, not any ECU. The 101 only has the good old LT95 manual gearbox so no interface from MS3 is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Oh, I misunderstood the bit about the gearbox link, nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I believe the Thor manifold will work with the 14CUX ECU and wiring. If you could drop a 4.6 in there with a distributor or Possibly coil packs and a megajolt then run it on an appropriately mapped 14CUX ECU it would all work well and be a nice simple system without need for extra diagnostic tools or conmectors etc added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Oh, I misunderstood the bit about the gearbox link, nevermind. Thats OK - the gear lever in the 101 is in front of the engine mounted off the water pump. There is a 3 foot link that takes movement from the lever over the top of the engine back to the gearbox between the carbs - an injection system obstructs this and a new route needs to be determined and there is not a lot of room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 I believe the Thor manifold will work with the 14CUX ECU and wiring. If you could drop a 4.6 in there with a distributor or Possibly coil packs and a megajolt then run it on an appropriately mapped 14CUX ECU it would all work well and be a nice simple system without need for extra diagnostic tools or conmectors etc added. Yes it will work though I would probably use the 4CUX fuel rail and injectors as they work at a lower pressure than the Thor - a larger AFM will also be needed. Though the cost to remap the 4CUX to match the increased capacity is about the same making the Bosch ECU a stand alone unit. So lots of options with no expertise locally or else I would just pay someone to do it for me. Cheers Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Have a chat with Mark Adams (same advice I gave Andrew) and see what he might advise. I've talked to him after advice in the past and found him to be very knowledgeable and helpful on the subject matter with zero sales pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yes - I have been in email contact with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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