Scotian Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 As it says. Whats the difference between this http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/DEFENDER/P...A254407_V8.html And this http://www.land-rover-parts-shop.com/shop/...6/58/148/100596 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 after changing Bearmach UJs for a past time (one lasted 20 miles) i have gone to HS and never looked back, you pay for the quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 Both links are Hardy spicer but they are very different prices. Just wanted to know what the difference was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilIT Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 You can get the genuine HS from Wyko if you have one near you - they are even cheaper than the LR suppliers. IIRC there are two different HS on the defender - I think the fronts are different to backs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul64 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 As it says. Whats the difference between this http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/DEFENDER/P...A254407_V8.htmlAnd this http://www.land-rover-parts-shop.com/shop/...6/58/148/100596 The HD ones are for me Marcus. The sh**e ones are yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sparkes Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 I understand (have read on a forum somewhere) that the seals with metal reinforcing are the visible sign of a Heavy Duty HS joint, possibly more resistant to damage when operating in mud and gunge. However, a prudent person would ask the question of HS, not rely on someone on t'internet. If it's true then it's down to a purchaser to decide what price premium is worth paying for them. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 To be honest I would much rather listen to somone with experience with both types on here than take HS word for it when they are obviously going to big up their own HD product compared to the standard part. The metal covered seals I would imagin are good as when you over fill standard ones the rubber seals pop out. So with that in mind I would imagin the metal covered seals would keep the rubber in place when they get a hard time off road. Anyone know if they are really worth the difference in money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 The last time I spoke to Paddocks about Hardy Spicer Ujs (a month ago), they only had them without grease nipples so I didn't buy any from them. Perhaps that's why they are so cheap from there ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 I ordered UJs from padocks about 3 weeks ago and they all had nipples. they were the big type though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 The general specs for both those UJ can be found here: http://www.gknservice.com/gkn-ids/resource...oints_05-06.pdf One is nominated "Hardy Spicer 1300" and the other is "Hardy Spicer 1300 HD", one is U110 and the other is U967. I can't tell what's the difference apart the seal reinforcement. I have a TVC100010 handy so here are some pics: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 there are 2 diameters of bearing cup used on 90/110 depending on VIN IIRC & the metal covers for the seals, go for the version with the covers if you get into really mucky places, if it's all hard surface then go for the other version [no metal seal covers]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Edit: this was not right In the table I gave the link to I could find: - the smaller UJs: cup diameter D= 23.8 mm and the length across two opposite cups L= 61.3 mm - the bigger UJs: D= 27 mm, L= 74.5 mm Marcus, the ones you indicated in the 1st post of this thread are the "bigger" ones. Somewhere else, in another thread, you said you need the "smaller" ones. Which type do you need for the front prop shaft currently fitted to your LR? You can measure the old UJs to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 The cups are the same size arent they? I managed to put the UJ I had in the prop and only found it was the wrong one when the cups wouldnt go in deep enough to get the cerclips in. (and its not from a roller falling over) I have bog UJs on the rear prop and it seems now I need the small UJs on the front prop. My front prop was changed by a garage a couple of years ago and they didnt mention that they didnt change it for a standard 1985 90 type. I dont know what it is but the Large UJs dont fit. And about the ones at the start of this thread. they are the smaller ones.... for the later chassis numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 By the way. just to make things clear. this thread was about two different HS UJs andt he price difference (now I know its becuase one is HD and the other is standard) The other talks about different UJs is the fact that I have a prop that takes the smaller type UJs and only have 2 of the bigger types in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Hmm, then the bigger/smaller combination is this (both having the same cup diameter D= 27 mm): - bigger/longer type, L= 81.7 mm (VIN# before CA254406 for example RTC3458) - smaller type, like the ones in the 1st post, L= 74.5 mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtail4x4 Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 I only use genuine parts now, or Hardyspicer brand, yes there is a similar boxed ones, I had a pair in for 5000 miles before that familiar vibration again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 3 LR part numbers in the parts cat. RTC3346 to 4 cylinder vehicles CA252578 & V8 vehicles CA254406 RTC3458 from 4 cylinder vehicles CA252579 to LA939975 & from diesel vehicles MA939976 to ZA612404 & from V8 vehicles CA254407 & from 4 cylinder pertrol vehicles MA939976 STC4807 from 1A612405 all vehicles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Here You can see a difference: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 and more... I bought this last spring. The left one 6UKP, the right one 15UKP http://www.land-rover-parts-shop.com/shop/...1/2/0/16/58/698 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Ed Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 It's simple really. I would rather spend the money on the more expensive ones and not have to replace them as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_d Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 This is a timely post resurrection. Drove home Friday and developed a sharp, resonant, pinging/grating noise from the drive train. At first I thought it would be a UJ as the noise was not unlike tapping the propshaft with a spanner. Inspected it this morning and there is no movement in any of the UJs. Short story is that having convinced myself it was forward of the transfer box and suspecting the diff I disconnected the propshaft. After failing to reproduce the noise in the diff I tried turning the propshaft and then noticed that one of the axis of the front UJ was seized solid. I can't even move it in the vice. Great, problem found so fit the spare prop.........B****r, that one is also seized. Better go find a box of UJs. So word of warning........ twisting, pulling and pushing does not a FUBARed UJ find. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Last weekend I did one more investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 And one more measurement. This is the same UJ as in my first comparison. Now we have "full picture". There are at least 3 different GKN UJ's all with different niddle diametr, lenght and quontity. The question is: which is the better between UJ's from "green box"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Carrot Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 3 LR part numbers in the parts cat. RTC3346 to 4 cylinder vehicles CA252578 & V8 vehicles CA254406 RTC3458 from 4 cylinder vehicles CA252579 to LA939975 & from diesel vehicles MA939976 to ZA612404 & from V8 vehicles CA254407 & from 4 cylinder pertrol vehicles MA939976 STC4807 from 1A612405 all vehicles GKN (Hardy Spicer) Cross References: Description: UJ 1310 Series + lube 27x81.8 Standard (RTC3346) = HS166 (boxed) or U166 (unboxed) New GKN Part No: 18196 Description: UJ 1310 Series + side lube 27x81.8 Heavy Duty = HS163 (boxed) or U163 (unboxed) Description: UJ 1300 Series none-lube 27x74.6 (sealed for life) Standard (RTC3458) = HS161 (boxed) or U161 (unboxed) New GKN Part No. 13872 Description: UJ 1300 Series + lube 27x74.6 Heavy Duty = HS160 (boxed) or U160 (unboxed) New GKN Part No. 18179 Description: UJ 1330 Series + side lube 27x92 HD (external circlip) = HS173 (boxed) or U173 (unboxed) New GKN Part No. 11772 The GKN (Hardy Spicer) range is available through most major distributors or can be purchased directly from their Uni-Cardan Service Centres (new / repair propshafts etc): Birmingham: 0121 313 1661 Leek: 01538 384278 GKN Driveline Service Website I hope this information helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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