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#1 suveer

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 06:46 PM

hi all,

the diff lock lever on my defender 90 does not want to engage. The diff lock light on the dash comes on when i force and hold it to the left, but the lever does not stay there. Low range and high range is working fine. Only the diff lock (4x4) seems to be a problem. Is it a sticky lever. how do i free it up.

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 07:28 PM

if the light comes on & stays on when you let go of the lever, then the difflock is fully engaged, as the lever moves back a bit provided the light stays on, it's locked engaged.
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Posted 10 December 2008 - 07:53 PM

could be just lack of use try looking underneath the vehicle and follow the linkage down from the Hi/Low lever and you will see it acts on a small picot located on the top of the T box, about 2 O'clock from the front prop output. see if there is any further movement in the pivot once its in.

Is it staying in - ie light on and the lever moving across slightly or moving back on its own and light going out?

may be a foreign body in there obstructing the arc/linkage or it could be catching on the seat box.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 06:21 PM

could be just lack of use try looking underneath the vehicle and follow the linkage down from the Hi/Low lever and you will see it acts on a small picot located on the top of the T box, about 2 O'clock from the front prop output. see if there is any further movement in the pivot once its in.

Is it staying in - ie light on and the lever moving across slightly or moving back on its own and light going out?

may be a foreign body in there obstructing the arc/linkage or it could be catching on the seat box.



JST, it is moving slightly to the left with light coming on, but then moves back to the original position and the light goes out.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 06:46 PM

easiest way to make sure it's free & not jammed uo with mud is to remove the gearbox tunnel & right handside floor panel, you can get to all the linkage & pivots then.
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:01 PM

easiest way to make sure it's free & not jammed uo with mud is to remove the gearbox tunnel & drivers side floor panel, you can get to all the linkage & pivots then.



thats the easiest way although can be a little daunting and alot of work! plus you cant see if the linkage is fouling anything as you have removed it all.

alternatively you can access it from below - you need small hands though.

to me it would suggest the pivot needs adjusting to get the arm to 'throw' the switch further over to engage and stay engaged.

does any of the linkage foul the body work? that would stop it going fully over

what happens if you move the lever over on top of the T box by hand, does it stay over? or spring back to diff off position.

lever goes to drivers door to engage centre diff lock

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:25 PM

Each of the pivot points has 2 small plastic bushes, if missing you get excessive slop. Also the pivot post screwed in to side of the gearbox is adjustable, loosen locknut, adjust until you get enough throw, and lock up nut.

You can get at this from below and above if you take gaiter off but it's easier with tunnel out and obvious how the wobbly bits of bent metal work. No need to take floor panel out.

I had to completely strip the Hi/Low cross shaft on mine as it was seized solid and then an E clip fell off!
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:43 PM

thats the easiest way although can be a little daunting and alot of work! plus you cant see if the linkage is fouling anything as you have removed it all.

alternatively you can access it from below - you need small hands though.

to me it would suggest the pivot needs adjusting to get the arm to 'throw' the switch further over to engage and stay engaged.

does any of the linkage foul the body work? that would stop it going fully over

what happens if you move the lever over on top of the T box by hand, does it stay over? or spring back to diff off position.

lever goes to drivers door to engage centre diff lock


didn't try activating on top of T box by hand yet. will do that next and will let you guys know.

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Posted 12 December 2008 - 08:49 AM

hi all,

the diff lock lever on my defender 90 does not want to engage. The diff lock light on the dash comes on when i force and hold it to the left, but the lever does not stay there. Low range and high range is working fine. Only the diff lock (4x4) seems to be a problem. Is it a sticky lever. how do i free it up.

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I had this very problem on a 110. I had to remove the gaiter around the gear sticks in the cab. There's a sponge rubber sound deadening material. This had pushed down to far, & stopped the metal rod's moving sidewards. Pulled up the rubber up & I could use diff lock again.
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Posted 12 December 2008 - 10:04 AM

The rod on mine wasn't even connected so I added a nut and bolt and it works fine now.

Picture of the bits that 'move and make it work' for your info:

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Posted 12 December 2008 - 11:26 AM

The rod on mine wasn't even connected so I added a nut and bolt and it works fine now.

Picture of the bits that 'move and make it work' for your info:

Attached File  2008_03_22_High_Low_and_Difflock_selector_arm.jpg   252.44KB   90 downloads


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Posted 13 December 2008 - 04:37 PM

did you manage to sort this yet?

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 07:28 PM

did you manage to sort this yet?



JST I am gonna do it this weekend. also gonna follow the diagram from Madcowz.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:01 PM

JST I am gonna do it this weekend. also gonna follow the diagram from Madcowz.

thanks


Some feed back. i spray loads of Q20, rust remover, similar to WD 40. The lever is now free and mouving freely. Working from underneath is a mission as the 90 is very congested. But... But, the lever does not stay in the locked position. As long as i hold the gear lever in the diff locked position the diff lock light remains on. As soon as i leave the lever, it slowly releases and goes back into the normal position ie centre diff not locked. Is there some sort of adjustment?

Thanks guys i am almost there.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:11 PM

take the gear lever rubber cover off & the bit of sound proofing under it then try the difflock, if it now stays engaged you have found the problem, if not it's probably the switch thats adjusted too far in as in my reply above.
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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:24 PM

if Ralphs suggested doesn't work you need to increase the distance the lever acts on so increase the length of the pivot point - quite a fiddly job with the floor in!

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 09:43 AM

I've just been reading this. When you push the lever to the left to engage diff lock should it stay over to the left then? On our 2006 TD5 you push the lever over, the light comes on, you let go of the lever, and it springs back to the normal position immediately! The diff lock light stays on though...is this wrong?

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 07:26 PM

it should stay over to the left, mine moves back slightly, but not as far as the centre.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 11:48 AM

Hi
Second the advice about the sponge, that was what was stopping mine, the plastic top hat bushes are cheaply available so you may as well replace them while you have the floor up, Incidentally, while you're out buying bushes get some of the spire clips and some plated/stainless screws for the floor, that way you'll only have to cut the screws off once :rolleyes:
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 07:46 PM

thanks guys for everthing. landy now sorted. I sprayed Q20 rust remover and got the levers going again. You can now engage diff lock with one finger. Thanks to everyone who provided excellent explanations and guidance.

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