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#1 series3100

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 10:41 PM

Just wondering does anyone run their diesel engine on kerosene (heater fuel)... Forget the legalities of it, does it work? Are there any/many detrimental effects? The engine I'm really considering is an Isuzu 4jb1t if that makes any difference.

Just want to hear your thoughts really.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 10:44 PM

EDIT:... Is Kerosene heater fuel? My dad's just started confusing me even more than usual!

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 11:21 PM

I have a 30kVA generator which has a 2.4L Ford straight six diesel engine (basically, a tractor engine). I run it on heating oil, aka 28 second burning oil or 'kero'. I put 1 percent engine oil in with the fuel, although the rated spec for the engine is that it burns 0.5l of sump oil in 12 hours of running so I suspect in fact it does not need the 'upper cylinder lubricant' added to the fuel. It smokes a bit when first starting up and when changing load, but it runs fine. I've probably done about 50 hrs with it like this.

I have smaller diesels (Kubotas) and I run them on red diesel only. I doubt they would be as tolerant of non-standard fuels.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 11:44 PM

No and it is a bad idea unless the injector pump is designed to run on it - kero does not lubricate as much as diesel so the pump will eventually seize up. Some military engines are designed to be "common fuel" and run on Jet A1 (chopper fuel) which is basically a good grade kerosene. If you put kero in a modern engine like a Td5 or a Puma it will almost certainly kill it very quickly.
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 11:45 PM

hi there kerosene can be. as when the fuel shortages where happening we where running are case quadtracs on it as we had plenty in the agrain dyer tanks although i cant honestly say whether it causes long term issues with the deisel engine. a landrover is slighlty more refined then a hungry 12.9L 600 horse motor made to sit singing it heart away at 2200 revs lugging cultivation equipment burried up to a meter into the ground at least 18hrs a day i know we had no problems i was considering this my self as kerosene is a lot cheaper then cherry diesel to buy and u wont be suspected as much for cheating the tax man (LOL):-P


sorry cant give u more of a decent answer

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 12:25 AM

EDIT:... Is Kerosene heater fuel? My dad's just started confusing me even more than usual!


kerosene is also known a JETA1 & Aviation turbine fuel [aka AVTUR F34] I wouldn't use it in a road vehicle, no lubrication addituves as mentioned above
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 05:14 PM

It will work, in fact many old bus owners ran this with a mix of used engine oil, but it will have a detrimental effect on your injector pump. Over here the things they try to run diesels on is a bit unbelivable..........

Newer diesels do not tolerate kero well...........

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 06:09 PM

a few years ago I was working on a site, with a 360 excavator,( french one I think, name something like pacman) and it had an air cooled deisel, might have been a deutz or even a VM as it had seperate cylinder heads. Anyway there was a tank of heating oil that had to be moved at some point and the contents were no longer required, so obvious answer. BUT after a few hours the engine started to play up, missing, low on power, so the mob mechanic came outand the filters were full of a thick jelly like substance. cleaned em out and carried on. Used the whole tank over about 2 months, and the mecanic came out about 6-7 times. It never did run properly again, always sounded rough, and spluttered even on red long afterwards. so beware!

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 06:55 PM

I knew a lad that siezed up an 200tdi running on 28 second oil, personally i wouldnt do it.

Its heater fuel because it burns at a higher temperature!

Put normal white diesel in a space heater then try it with 28second oil you will see which kicks out more heat!

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 07:49 PM

If I remember correctly, one of the mags had an article about the USAF Disco IIs.... they were running them on Kerosene! :)
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 08:05 PM

lets hope no one from VOSA or customs and revenue access this forum :ph34r:
we used to put a small percentage of paraffin in the diesel in the winter as it eased waxing at low temperatures, as stated above it burns at a much higher temp and would cause the exhaust manifolds to glow white, god knows what it does to the exhaust valves :o

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 08:34 PM

I know someone who has done this more than one of his vechiles, and it has every time messed up the diesel pump.
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 11:38 PM

If I remember correctly, one of the mags had an article about the USAF Disco IIs.... they were running them on Kerosene! :)


I was told once that "certain US military organisations" operating Land Rovers in the Gulf region used kero (or rather avtur) in their various Land Rovers during the Gulf War but did so on the basis that it was cheaper to fix the engines afterwards than it was to supply a different sort of fuel to the middle of nowhere probably by helicopter!

At the end of the day it is a bit like using cold start to get your engine going in the mornings, yes it works, no it isn't a very good idea to do it regularly :)
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 06:51 AM

The simple answer is yes it will run, not very well and will damage the engine if used for a long time. You can add engine oil to it as a lubricant that will help it a little.

If you are looking for a less expensive way to run an off road vehicle I suggest you use Red Diesel as this is the same as white with a colour added to it and less road duty, but DO NOT use it on the public highway, unless you wand a large fine of a visit to one of her majesty`s hotels!!! :unsure:

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 05:51 PM

Some interesting points and reading there thank you, I wasn't expecting anyone to put there hand up and say yes I run on kero for obvious reasons! :unsure: If there's one thing I'm not going to do that's put red in, I knew someone who used to use red then they weren't dipped but someone actually grassed him in! In short he doesn't drive that landy any more, in fact it no longer exists :o !

Thanks again,

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 08:06 PM

The old fashioned 'in line'(Simms & CAV minimec/majormec etc) pumps will be more tolerant of kero than rotary(DPA, DPS,Rotodiesel etc) pumps which will sieze the distributor head due to lack of lube in the fuel.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 09:00 PM

re the disco 11, the td5 can, I believe, run on this, as said the usaf used them, something to do with the common rail design.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:04 AM

I asked Land Rover the question once with my day-job hat on, about whether using Avtur in an engine would affect the warranty and the answer was basically kiss it goodbye immediately. Not an issue now as any Td5s are now out of warranty but the manufacturer isn't keen anyway! Some folks here that run quite a lot of green ones were keen to know whether they could go single-fuel in certain places around the islands.

I wonder what the EGTs would be like running on kero? There isn't much leeway when on diesel between normal running temps (600C ish) and melt-a-hole-in-a-piston temps (often quoted as about 750C).

Slightly OT but an interesting aside while we are talking about using the wrong fuel ... motorbikes apparently go like stink on 100LL Avgas, anybody ever tried it in a V8? I think you usually burn a hole through the piston fairly quickly but it's apparently good while it lasts! :)
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:01 PM

back when I was a automotive design engineer kero was used to accelerate component wear on the test rigs(high speed) The td5 discoverys found favour with usab personel due to its tolerence of kero.A customer of mine eventually destroyed both his 2002 landcruisers injector pumps(two cars not two pumps!)with the stuff




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