Bull Bar Cowboy Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 On Saturday I had a Goodridge front O/S brake hose break at the crimped ferrule on the calliper end. These were new hoses only fitted 2 weeks prior to the event. I have never had any problems with standard rubber hoses, and whilst I work out if there is an issue, I have now refitted the originals. I don’t think the problem was caused by too much articulation as I am using a pretty much standard setup …….. OME 764’s and ProComp+2. Maybe something in the deep mud on punch 11 may have caught it …………. but I expect stuff to survive that sort of treatment. Simon R mentioned a similar problem and demonstrated his neat setup of a hose running along the radius arm ………. I like that idea. B) However, before I rush out and get some more hoses, who has Goodridge fitted and has there been problems ……………… or was I just plain unlucky. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 you were unlucky I'd wager, that punch was a quagmire for sure although I did have some Goodridge hoses on an RS Turbo once and the ferrule had not been crimped properly, although that showed up straight away when bleeding the brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top90 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Glad you got home OK with the brakes. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 i am running goodridge braided hoses (+2") been on two years, no probs to date. gald you made it back ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernchris Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Ian In the past we have had alot of probs with crimped -3 braided hoses,not just Goodridge but pretty much all from the big players.The best solution would be make your own up with screw together fittings,then you can pick what components you want to use i,e stainless steel,alloy,swivel fittings etc Speak to people like Demon Tweeks etc they normally have stock if not Earls @ silverstone are really helpful and will always have the gear in stock that you need. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 On Saturday I had a Goodridge front O/S brake hose break at the crimped ferrule on the calliper end. how did they break? pulled apart, fractured due to movement, incorrect assembly or other? BTW the crimped goodridge fitting are the onlky braided hoses that are allowed by SVA - the screw together fail due to not being tamperproof (unless you can provide evidence of them having an internal support). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernchris Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 "BTW the crimped goodridge fitting are the onlky braided hoses that are allowed by SVA" Why is Ian,s truck going for SVA???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 guess not but that's why he has said BTW. I have the ones from Llama4x4 they have lasted ages so far, as Goodridge wouldn't sell direct even though their factory was on the doorstep so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Tony, Yes, they are not the easiest of people to deal with direct ……… and I used to work at one of our satellite offices which is almost next door to them at the airport! They are available locally at both OEC & Brookwells The hoses are guaranteed for life ………… I wonder if they will honour that statement……. I doubt it for off road use! No, my truck is not applicable for SVA ……….. so I might have a good look at the suggestion Chris made regarding the screwed fittings. The journey home was uneventful………..the truck is still pulling wildly to the N/S, but its getting better as each mile goes by ……. The O/S pads just need to re-bed in a little more. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I sell anything from 30 in a quiet week to well over 100 tailor made hoses in a busy week to everyone from offroaders , through kitcars to the local rally boys. I also supply many of the top names you read inthe mags and most of the suspension specialists you see advertised on a trade level.... The normal reason for a hose pulling out / breaking at the crimp is that the hose got stretched - rubber will stretch and go back, braid just rips apart. Very often this is because the hoses are too short or just as often it is when they are too long or vunerable and they catch on something. The other way this can happen is by constantly flexing the hose at this point and causing a fatigue break. This is most inlikely ( work on the fact that this was not the reason! ) but can happen. To address this potential issue every hose I make include a plastic 'whip guard' over this join to spread the load.... I would certainly go for the crimped type not the socket / olive type if you can - it is simply a better system if insitu repairs aren't a requiremnt which is why it is used on pretty much every hose anywhere around a car.... It is possible that it could have been a manufacturing error - though I very much doubt it. I can't speak for others ( though I guess they don't ) but every individual hose I supply is pressure tested prior to dispatch. This is done with nitrogen gas under water in a test tank and would show up any crimping error.... The up the radius arm route works well - I used to sell these hoses to Gon2Far for their 3 link conversion kit - now I sell them to QT Services who have taken over the selling of this product. I have the spec of how long / fittings etc. if anyone needs one! My suggestion is to check the length of the hose on full articulation ( twist, not just droop ) and if it too short there is the problem. If it was not too short then I would work on the assumption that you were just unlucky and I would replace the hsoe and refit the others.... Hope that is some help David LLAMA 4x4 ( site buggered at the moment, waitng for host to repair! ) New online store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Are forum members discounts available David? Not for myself just the other members here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 "BTW the crimped goodridge fitting are the onlky braided hoses that are allowed by SVA" Why is Ian,s truck going for SVA???? dunno about Ian or his truck. I am finishing off a kit car hance my comment about the braided hoses; one or two other folks on here have put their Land Rovers through SVA so thought I'd spread the word to help. The cost difference between the olive/nut tupe and crimped Goodridges (plus you get certificate if bought from Rally Design) is not that much; I ended up two sets, one of each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I got some of the Earls type fittings Chris mentions from PaulW (dunno if he's still doing them) to make up my flexi hoses and also piped the full rear axle in the same, so far no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Daivd, Being as your webbsite is unwell at the momnet ............. please could you post up your telephone number ....... we need to talk I have just rechecked by a different method and articulation / twist is the problem ......... Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Daivd,Being as your webbsite is unwell at the momnet ............. please could you post up your telephone number ....... we need to talk I have just rechecked by a different method and articulation / twist is the problem ......... Ian I have just had a reply from Orange admitting the problem is at their end but with no clues whatsoever as to when the problem might be sorted - great! The phone number to reach me on is 01938.850382.... And to answer the question asked above: " Yes, I can sort some discount for Forum members on their brake hose requirements! David LLAMA 4x4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 . I have the spec of how long / fittings etc. if anyone needs one! Yes please.... for a 300Tdi 1998 (ish.... actually built in 2001!) D90. cheers! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Yes please.... for a 300Tdi 1998 (ish.... actually built in 2001!) D90.cheers! B) £15 +vat each for ones long enough to go around the radius arm or £10 +vat each for normal fixing (anything up to +12" in length......) LESS 10% FORUM DISCOUNT on all brake hoses Give me ashout if you want any..... David LLAMA 4x4 Web site still buggered so no link here! at least the online store is still working!!! PS I still think using the usual routing but with a hose of the cirrect length is the best way............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 David , I have a habbit of snagging up the short copper brake pipes on the hub end of my 90 , and was thinking about a direct hose from chassis to calliper useing banjo fittings on the calliper ends . Can this be done ?? Jase . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 David , I have a habbit of snagging up the short copper brake pipes on the hub end of my 90 , and was thinking about a direct hose from chassis to calliper useing banjo fittings on the calliper ends . Can this be done ?? Jase . Yes, no problem... do quite a few this way. Tomcat Motorsport now have these as 'standard', doing away with that silly link pipe completely... the other great benefit of this system is that you can just swing the caliper out of the way on the end of the flexi to work on the hug without having to disturb the silly bracket on the top swivel. £11.50 +vat each including a new banjo bolt to suit! LESS the 10% FORUM DISCOUNT of course David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 SOLD , I will give you a ring tommorow I need a pair to suit a 4" lift . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 Well it looks like the problem is down to shortish hoses when on full articulation…… Had a long chat with David ……. His standard def +2 are 20.5 inches ……. The Goodridge I had are barely 19……….. and I have the best part of 3 inchs lift with the new front axle. Something that made me smile during the conversation ………… “I’ve got red & blue in stock…….. if you want black or clear it will be a week” ……….the rubber princess will be most upset ……… none in moglite orange. David is true to his word …….. an excellent price +10% discount and going out 1st class post tomorrow. Good service ……….. thank you Llama4x4 Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Ian, your hoses were at the Post Office at 5 to 9 this morning.... many thanks for the order. The 20.5" length I supply as a 'standard' +2" has come about more by what is needed rather than a linear increase in length: Most +2" shocks on the market are actually 3" longer fully extended. This will give an axle fall of three inches if the axle is horizintal. However once the axle is twisted rather than just dropped the effect of having one wheel up allows the other one to fall further giving a probable movement of abot 4" more than standard. A std hose will take up about 1" more anyway, the 2" longer ones help but are still 1" short, hence the risk of pulling the unions apart! That is why if you want a +2" from me it is a + nearly 4" when it turns up..... depending on what hose you have as standard as this seems to vary wildly depending on manufacture anyway! David The website is up a running ( jogging? ) again... new Online Store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Anyone know why L/R use that daft piece of pipe on the calipers rather than a direct flexi connection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I looked at going direct to the caliper when doing mine and came to the conclusions that the extra length and lower mounting of the flexi hose made it even more vulnerable to getting hooked up on stuff, so stayed with the original setup. However I notched the mount on the swivel housing so the caliper can be removed without undoing any pipes, made the job of doing a hub seal at the side of the road in wales much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I looked at going direct to the caliper when doing mine and came to the conclusions that the extra length and lower mounting of the flexi hose made it even more vulnerable to getting hooked up on stuff, so stayed with the original setup. However I notched the mount on the swivel housing so the caliper can be removed without undoing any pipes, made the job of doing a hub seal at the side of the road in wales much easier. If you come straight off the caliper with a cranked banjo fitting you can come up to the bracket no problem, using the 90' banjo and the cranked fitting to steer the hose away from any danger..... lots of comp safari boys do it this way and I supply Tomcat Motorsport with this type of hose as standard fit on their vehicles...... David LLAMA 4x4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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