reb78 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Just wanted to highlight this thread by Happyoldgit and say thanks. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=195 I got a Schutz gun the other day and used it yesterday. I wasn't expecting much, but as I pulled the trigger and the chassis rail it was pointed at got plastered in waxoyl, I realised how much easier it made things compared to that silly manual pump that Hammerite sell! Two questions 1. It creates quite a vapour and I'm a bit chesty today. What breathing mask would you chaps recommend? 2. Age old debate, but I need to do the inside of the chassis and I'm confused about whether to use clear waxoyl or dinitrol. What's the current thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 The company I work for uses 3m shutz on approximately 200 vehicles a year and the health and safety issues are enormous. Currently the shutzing can only be undertaken outside of normal working hours (overtime or night shift) to reduce number of employees exposed, it must be done as close to the door as possible with the door open and roof extract fans running, and the operator must wear disposable coveralls, chemical gloves and an air fed mask. When under sealing at home I've used a 3m organic mask with pre-filters, and replace the filter as soon as you can smell shutz, or after a month whichever is soonest. The mask I have is this one http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_Safety/EU/Products/Catalogue/~/3M-7500-Series-Half-Face-Mask-Respirator?N=3294361922+5022986&rt=mrud With these filter cartridges http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_Safety/EU/Products/Catalogue/~/3M-6000-Series-Gas-Vapour-Cartridge?N=3294361600+5022986&rt=mrud And these pre-filters (I think) http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_Safety/EU/Products/Catalogue/~/3M-5000-Series-Particulate-Filter?N=3294361858+5022986&rt=mrud You can buy the whole lot as one kit, as a minimum I would buy a new set of cartridges for every occasion you shutz a vehicle, the cost is worth it for prolonged health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrRob Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Spray inside chassis with clear waxoyl with an extension tube on the gun. You might have to drill extra holes to get into so e places. Get that mask as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 For the insides I mix waxoil with new oil to stop it drying. Despite it's claims, waxoil won't penetrate rust, or seems, but the oil will and the waxoil stops it all running out of the chassis holes. I dill extra holes as well, on things with a full chassis, but not sure if that's a bad idea on an Evoque? If it is zinc plated dipped the exposed edge might make things worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I've also found Dinitrol products to be very good. One thing to bear in mind is to ensure that once the job is done sufficient time is allocated to allow any excess product to escape prior to the vehicle being used on the public highway, especially if any additional ingredients have been added to the mix in order to make it flow better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 The company I work for uses 3m shutz on approximately 200 vehicles a year and the health and safety issues are enormous. Currently the shutzing can only be undertaken outside of normal working hours (overtime or night shift) to reduce number of employees exposed, it must be done as close to the door as possible with the door open and roof extract fans running, and the operator must wear disposable coveralls, chemical gloves and an air fed mask. When under sealing at home I've used a 3m organic mask with pre-filters, and replace the filter as soon as you can smell shutz, or after a month whichever is soonest. The mask I have is this one http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_Safety/EU/Products/Catalogue/~/3M-7500-Series-Half-Face-Mask-Respirator?N=3294361922+5022986&rt=mrud With these filter cartridges http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_Safety/EU/Products/Catalogue/~/3M-6000-Series-Gas-Vapour-Cartridge?N=3294361600+5022986&rt=mrud And these pre-filters (I think) http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_Safety/EU/Products/Catalogue/~/3M-5000-Series-Particulate-Filter?N=3294361858+5022986&rt=mrud You can buy the whole lot as one kit, as a minimum I would buy a new set of cartridges for every occasion you shutz a vehicle, the cost is worth it for prolonged health Thanks Lewis. That's really helpful. I guess I should go somewhere I can try these on? I've noted they come in large, med and small and getting the wrong size could be as bad as not bothering wearing one. How would this compare? https://www.carspares.co.uk/catalogue/16/5650/gerson-9200e-starchem-isocyanate-a1-b1-and-p2-safe-face-mask-respirator.html I only ask as the shop is local to me. I'm just searching trying to find somewhere that sells the 3m ones. I found this on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3M-7500-7502-medium-Vapour-Dust-Mask-inc-6051-501-5935-set-kit-lot-/181382664393?pt=UK_BOI_ProtectiveGear_RL&hash=item2a3b3fd0c9 But have no idea if medium would be the correct fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 For the insides I mix waxoil with new oil to stop it drying. Despite it's claims, waxoil won't penetrate rust, or seems, but the oil will and the waxoil stops it all running out of the chassis holes. I dill extra holes as well, on things with a full chassis, but not sure if that's a bad idea on an Evoque? If it is zinc plated dipped the exposed edge might make things worse? I had considered mixing the two for the inside. Advantage is, I have black waxoyl and old oil, so could do this without going to the shops again. Any reason used engine oil is a bad idea?HOG, have no fear, the disco is currently sat on my drive over a sheet allowing the waxoyl I used on the outside to drip. (It can't go anywhere anyway as the fuel tank is in the garage whilst I replace a holey fuel pipe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I don't recognise the manufacturer in your first link so cannot comment to its suitability The second link is exactly the setup I have. I didn't realise the masks came in various sizes though. In the second link the pic shows 1x mask (required) 4x filter covers (only 2x required) 20x pre-filters (not strictly required at all, my understanding is they filter particles not fume/chemicals) and 16x filter cartridges (likely to last 8 months assuming 4 vehicles/week and 4hours/vehicle, so too many for your usage I imagine) If you decide not to get the pre-filters you can also do away with the filter covers as their only purpose is to hold the pre-filters to the cartridges. Also worth looking into if you buy a quantity of the cartridges is whether they have a shelf life or use by date I'll have a look in stock and see if I have a spare mask or complete setup, no promises though. Just a final thought in case you were thinking this PPE is too costly - 3m Shutz is not only a carcinogen (gives you cancer) but among other things it is also a mutanogen (causes mutation to DNA and birth defects in children). Also, I highly doubt it's available in Europe at all, but in Columbia last year I applied 48x 1litre cans of 3m shutz and we had to pay extra to get the non asbestos variant, well worth checking if you see some cheap at a car boot sale or auto jumble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Cheers Lewis, I'm not trying to scrimp on the cost here. I've probably ignored the need for a good mask for too long really, so need to do something. If it's not waxoyl, it's a dusty garage where I'm grinding something, or cleaning rust off of something. Is the shelf life of the filters a real problem? I'd always thought if they were stored in hour dark, the filters would last indefinitely? Sounds like this is not the case.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I'm not certain. My understanding from the H&S officer at work is that once the sealed packets for the filter cartridges are open the filter will begin to deteriorate immediately due to carp in the atmosphere. I don't know what the shelf life of a sealed packet. The above is just my understanding from 2nd hand info so I'd look into it yourself, the 3m website is bound to have useful tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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