Yostumpy Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAMQjxw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fwi.co.uk%2Fmachinery%2Frat-trap-makes-land-rovers-hard-to-pinch.htm&ei=mKGSVNGQGMTkaqbugaAI&bvm=bv.82001339,d.d2s&psig=AFQjCNEWMsuBpg_oDzDonzmmLN-XId8EkQ&ust=1418980659354837 seems a good idea, quite spendy tho' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 8 bolts, rear prop off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=jon= Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Someone that knows that they are doing could get round it with 2 spanners in about 10 mins (or a grinder in about 30s!), but the vehicle wouldn't be driveable afterwards - but from what I can tell most of them are put on a flatbed if the thief is 'dedicated' anyway... I'd also be wary that it isn't very obvious as well - I can see the landy being hotwired, stuffed in low range and the guts revved out of it in an attempt to make it move, and from the look of it I'd imagine that the transfer box or gearbox would end up broken first.. Something like the x-eng pedal box is a bit more visible and makes it obvious that there are additional security measures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I want X-Eng pedal boxes, but unfortunately not available for Series <cry> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 £590+VAT!!!!! Madness. Even on a £20K vehicle that's a lot of dosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm convinced the modern thief has a HIAB truck, just lift the vehicle onto it & disappear, no matter how many locks it's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm convinced the modern thief has a HIAB truck, just lift the vehicle onto it & disappear, no matter how many locks it's got. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm convinced the modern thief has a HIAB truck, just lift the vehicle onto it & disappear, no matter how many locks it's got. Mee too :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 erm, if you just unbolt the rear prop then surely you can drive off? OK it will stuff the centre diff but they won't care about that. I'm convinced the modern thief has a HIAB truck, just lift the vehicle onto it & disappear, no matter how many locks it's got. I'm convinced there are two types of modern thief, the one of which you speak who'll lift it and work out what to do later ...... but there are still a lot who are breaking into them to drive them off (as they attempted to do to mine the other year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 if you remove the prop, the drum comes of as well, and off you go with the centre diff locked. But as with all these things, you cant stop a car being stolen, but you can make it harder. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 There's supposed to be 2 screws holding the drum on, not just the prop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 In fact you could just remove one drive member from the rear axle couldn't you? That's only 5 bolts if you have steel wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I *think* that would require you leaving the centre diff open -it wouldn't last that long like that, but would be enough to move it a few streets away for sure. Personally, I think the only semi-secure way to immobilise a defender is by chaining it down with HT chain and a HT loop in a foot of concrete -as above, they will get it if they want it. no matter how you try and prevent it from rolling/driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 ......Personally, I think the only semi-secure way to immobilise a defender is by chaining it down with HT chain and a HT loop in a foot of concrete -as above, they will get it if they want it. no matter how you try and prevent it from rolling/driving. Yep, have to agree .... just becomes a pain burying a hoop in the ground every time you travel to somewhere new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 £590+VAT!!!!! Madness. Even on a £20K vehicle that's a lot of dosh. Er....my tboughs 2... Prefer si raffs x defend tbh and 1/3 price on stainlrss too ......bugger to cut... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanger Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 seems excessive in cost and not infallible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roverdrive Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Another vote for the x defend pedal lock here. Being cack handed, the installation of mine had an unintended effect. As I mounted it too close to the pedals, when locked on, the brake pedal is depressed locking the wheels Not sure about the long term effects, but so far so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Another vote for the x defend pedal lock here. Being cack handed, the installation of mine had an unintended effect. As I mounted it too close to the pedals, when locked on, the brake pedal is depressed locking the wheels Not sure about the long term effects, but so far so good. Lol, mine does that to and is from one of the very first batches so you could say it's had a long term test now. The only issue it has caused me is when I forget about it, I've jacked a wheel up a few times now and thought 'oh bugger, what the hell is up with these bearings/brakes?' On the plus side it makes checking the brake lights easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 It says that thing locks the output shaft - how is it doing that ? Through locking the flange ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need4speed Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Agreed. I think pound for pound simons pedal lock is the best out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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simonr Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I'm convinced the modern thief has a HIAB truck, just lift the vehicle onto it & disappear, no matter how many locks it's got. The stats don't bear that out however. Hiab / Trailer / Flatbed aided thefts apparently account for about 2% (IIRC) of the total. The rest are just driven away. The Hiab assisted ones tend to be specifically stolen to order. Most vehicles (80% rings a bell) are just opportunistic - and they are the easiest to prevent with simple security. I'm guessing the remaining 18% are ones where a degree of pre-planning is involved - perhaps stealing the keys etc. So, even without spending any real money, you can reduce the chance of YOUR truck being stolen significantly. If it's an opportunistic theft, a security device removes the opportunity so they will steal someone else's instead. One of my favorite low cost solutions is to replace the bypass pipe on your steering box with a short length of braided hose with no-loss hydraulic couplers on either end. Remove the pipe - and the steering is jammed in one position regardless of whether you break the steering lock. You can achieve the same effect at almost no cost by removing one of the couplings on the pipe and sandwiching a ball bearing between the mating faces, then tightening again. Outwardly it looks normal - bit it's impossible to drive and much more difficult to load on to a trailer. This is only really suitable if your truck is parked up for a long period. Another simple one I heard was to remove the EGT mounting plate on the Exhaust. It will start and run - but makes a noise that will wake the dead! My favorite though is to leave an oily copy of the Haynes manual open on the driver seat on the troubleshooting engine problems page with a few oily spanners on top. They will probably not steal something that is likely to break down mid get-away! Si 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I have one of Simon's pedal locks, I bought it at Newbury second hand but unfitted, probably due to the fact the PO hadn't assembled it correctly. My gain great bargain, excellent peice of kit. This new lock system may be very effective but for that money you can get a number of other systems that will be a greater inconvenience or even pay for a gps location system. It would also pay for an extremely good quality chain and padlock to the nearest lampost. The old idea of leaving a cylinder head on the seat I think is probably just as effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 My favorite though is to leave an oily copy of the Haynes manual open on the driver seat on the troubleshooting engine problems page with a few oily spanners on top. They will probably not steal something that is likely to break down mid get-away! Si That is now my new favourite security measure ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie64 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Lol, mine does that to and is from one of the very first batches so you could say it's had a long term test now. The only issue it has caused me is when I forget about it, I've jacked a wheel up a few times now and thought 'oh bugger, what the hell is up with these bearings/brakes?' On the plus side it makes checking the brake lights easy Another vote for the x defend pedal lock here. Being cack handed, the installation of mine had an unintended effect. As I mounted it too close to the pedals, when locked on, the brake pedal is depressed locking the wheels Not sure about the long term effects, but so far so good. Haha I also managed to fit mine a little cack handed so it presses the brake pedal, its great in my opinion, locks all wheels solid and been fitted for well over a year with no side effects yet i also had the same problem about forgeting about it though when changing propshafts, its impossible to remove a propshaft if you cant rotate it tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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