Tonk
Jul 12 2006, 07:50 AM
i've got my 3 piece 200 tdi defender exhaust manifold off the engine at present (turbo woes

). i've taken the 3 pieces apart, when i put it back on engine should i use jointing compound where they slip together or just let them corrode up to seal?
northernchris
Jul 12 2006, 08:09 AM
QUOTE (Tonk @ Jul 12 2006, 08:50 AM)

i've got my 3 piece 200 tdi defender exhaust manifold off the engine at present (turbo woes

). i've taken the 3 pieces apart, when i put it back on engine should i use jointing compound where they slip together or just let them corrode up to seal?

Tonk just put abit of RTV Silicone on the faces and it will be fine.
Chris
Tonk
Jul 12 2006, 08:31 AM
RTV on exhaust? u sure? i was thinkin more like exhaust jointing paste, i'm sure there was nothing on there from last time
northernchris
Jul 12 2006, 08:36 AM
QUOTE (Tonk @ Jul 12 2006, 09:31 AM)

RTV on exhaust? u sure? i was thinkin more like exhaust jointing paste, i'm sure there was nothing on there from last time
Sorry Tonk didnt read your post,a little bit of grease on the cast iron stuff and RTV on the tube work NEVER had a problem!!!!!!!!!!!! Just make sure the faces are clean.
Les Henson
Jul 12 2006, 08:37 AM
I think silicone might be affected by extremes of heat. For exhaust joints that have a reasonably good joint anyway I use FireGum - it's like a thick toothpaste and comes in a similar type of tube. Perfect for what you describe m8.
Les.
Les Henson
Jul 12 2006, 08:38 AM
Just read your 2nd reply Chris. I didn't know silicone could take that kind of heat.
Les.
northernchris
Jul 12 2006, 08:39 AM
QUOTE (Les Henson @ Jul 12 2006, 09:37 AM)

I think silicone might be affected by extremes of heat. For exhaust joints that have a reasonably good joint anyway I use FireGum - it's like a thick toothpaste and comes in a similar type of tube. Perfect for what you describe m8.
Les.

Read my above post,RTV on the system isnt even breaking sweat at those sort of temps.The manifold would be fine without anything on IF the faces are good.
deleted
Jul 12 2006, 08:40 AM
QUOTE (Les Henson @ Jul 12 2006, 09:37 AM)

I think silicone might be affected by extremes of heat. For exhaust joints that have a reasonably good joint anyway I use FireGum - it's like a thick toothpaste and comes in a similar type of tube. Perfect for what you describe m8.
Les.

It's cr@p for cleaning your teeth though!!!
Tonk
Jul 12 2006, 08:48 AM
i'm talking about where the 3 parts slip in together, not on the mating face to the head. i too didn't know the rtv would stand upto those sort of temps
Diff
Jul 12 2006, 08:55 AM
QUOTE (Tonk @ Jul 12 2006, 09:48 AM)

i'm talking about where the 3 parts slip in together, not on the mating face to the head. i too didn't know the rtv would stand upto those sort of temps
I'm with Les, I would just put a smear of exhaust assembly paste around the tubular slide in sections. Due to age, there may have been be some rust/carbon doing some of the sealing, which is now no longer there since you have taken it apart. If you put it together without assembly paste, it may take a while to 'seal'.
Regards,
Diff
Mark90
Jul 12 2006, 09:27 AM
I used high temp RTV to seal the problematic exhaust on my old 2 stroke bike, worked a treat.
white90
Jul 12 2006, 10:16 AM
Same as Les, that is what I did it sealed no problems
western
Jul 12 2006, 10:45 AM
No mention of splitting/refitting the exhaust manifold into it's 3 parts in the workshop manual, I'd use the exhaust paste to seal the joints.
white90
Jul 12 2006, 10:57 AM
when mine was rebuilt it had been chemically cleaned and the three parts were loose.
exhaust paste (thin smear) sorted it
Tonk
Jul 12 2006, 11:12 AM
cheers, thats wot i'll go for then
dollythelw
Jul 12 2006, 11:21 AM
second vote for RTV, both sides of the turbo and everything downwind of it - no worries
Tonk
Jul 12 2006, 11:33 AM
hmmmm maybe rtv one side and exhaust compund other for a test?
dollythelw
Jul 12 2006, 11:39 AM
sounds like a plan - the Wurth stuff sticks like pooh to a blanket if that helps Tonk?
white90
Jul 12 2006, 12:58 PM
http://www.focussport.com/wurth.htmshows RTV max temp 500f that isn't enough for an Exhaust manifold IMHO
Tonk
Jul 12 2006, 01:11 PM
they're exhaust paste rated to 1292°F, big difference
northernchris
Jul 12 2006, 01:11 PM
QUOTE (white90 @ Jul 12 2006, 01:58 PM)

http://www.focussport.com/wurth.htmshows RTV max temp 500f that isn't enough for an Exhaust manifold IMHO
Tony the exhaust gas is always hotter than the manifold!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Put a temp gun on a manifold then look at EGT mega different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
northernchris
Jul 12 2006, 01:14 PM
We are not talking about a high revving,forced inducation petrol engine here it is a derv burner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dollythelw
Jul 12 2006, 01:31 PM
RTV is holding mine together well enough, has done for ages - even the local lads at powerflow use it for the boyracers zorsts and the holdens they make manifolds for so cant be too bad, use whatever you feel is best for you though, its just another option
white90
Jul 12 2006, 01:40 PM
I understand that the gas is far hotter but why just not use Exhaust paste?
dollythelw
Jul 12 2006, 01:45 PM
personally I find that RTV doesnt crack after the pipe has had a bit of an incident with an immovable thing, I also like the fact RTV has a million other uses and is nice and easy to work - I dont know about anyone else but exhaust putty always seems to prefer me to the thing Im trying to get it to stick to
northernchris
Jul 12 2006, 01:51 PM
QUOTE (white90 @ Jul 12 2006, 02:40 PM)

I understand that the gas is far hotter but why just not use Exhaust paste?
putty/paste will and does break down after time,plus the smell is GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.
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