Tech bun fight thread, got to save pulling specific topics down into chaos?
all with tongue in cheek so please dont infer anything other than plain debate

twin turbos and propane - nah, I'll stick to VNTs and propane - why double a potential component failure risk when one fan will do?

Jules - if you are lazy then good luck to you, I'd love to be (god I hope I get the chance soon), dont underestimate the cost of "getting a few lugs tacked on", if was that lacklustre a process then main dealers would be doing it

Warthog - just as Al said, you start it, and if you get stuck or you lack confidence, just ask, help is not far away

Will - shaft drive for a frog, look at a Beemer Telelever set up or the back enf of any modern shaft drive bike, not an issue on a back end setup, biiiiiiiig probs at the front, shock load protection will be "entertaining" hydrostatic is a non-starter, LWB? why...? you have fast winches??

Aussies in front of the UK? in what? if theres a leader in the particular discipline YOU want to follow then hunt them down for inspiration and tech, but hold them up as a shining beacon of all things motorsport is like comparing kylies (fantastic) back end to the Millau bridge, both superb engineering but dedicated to what they do best (mmmmmmmmmmmmm kylie)

Al - mogs? nice antiques

right......... whos next to kick off?

This could be fun

But I have to attend a meeting with my Subbies to talk b****s about why thay are behind programe...

oops it should have started at 3.

When will you learn Jez - you can't build an axle out of chrome alone... SOME of it has to actually carry loads...

I know what it is - you prefer spindly little girly axles as they do less damage to your baby soft hands.

Bring it on. Al.

you lamb Al



oh yes baby, Volvos - only good for 36" tyres and moped engines? mmmm lightweight, moveable without a crane driving licence and a risk asessment, my hands take a lot of fairy liquid to keep supple enough for my concert violin performances, German pig iron wouldnt do them any good at all ........ can I hear Dans keyboard creaking into life?

Parabolics what a waste of time or are they the new black

then grease of oil in the swivels which would you use?

I have a V8 that is crap around water what can I do?

Tony, mauve? ask Fridge, he has no fashion sense - Ive tried threats of physical violence and he's still polluting the workshop with cart springs

cover it in corks on strings? bound to make it better?

that's what happens when you are a Lowly C3

Come on - everyone knows mincing about in loose dirt puts no strain on your axles!

Besides - isn't that a hill climber? How much load is there on the front in those (STEEP) circumstances? Naff all squared! 'Ooh check out his manly axles!'

[Actually, i quite like it, but I'm not gonna tell you that...]

Clearly the poor chap was using whatever he could find locally.

Al.

One day …… and one day soon ……….when I get the time……… and work is a distant memory………..(yes, I am an old git)


Ford V8 460 super Cobra bolted up to a Tremec Ford TKO600 5 speed overdrive manual & Atlas xfer box

This will be traditional LR type chassis construction and it will sit on 2 ton rockwells………..none of your LR and jap crap


Let the flack begin………………….


Ian

naf all squared x rotating mass x high impact when bouncing x BBC with nitrous = umm about a gazillion

given he had the choice of septic, earth mover, mog or hand fabbed axles (by members of Abba no less) he's obviously gone the right way - good lad

or I could go hunting through petrisimolen for 44" class ones on C303's with lowly SBC's bouncing about if you like?? anyone for a short pinion???? hehehhee

why not a lovely chevy 572
MMMMMMMMM
only if they ran on diesel....

Antique Ian.......... soooooooo last season

Blown LS, paddle shift, E lockup, portal teks (see you in the next petrol station fella, I think the shell points are gonna add up fast - we could get a cruet set each every week )

cummins on 60psi boost Tony? 500bhp and 1000ft/lbs................waterproof

marvellous
bin the 572 then
but this is more the ticket

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

Listen tw@t ………… I told you I am old ………. think old


460 is cheap ……….. as is cogbox (good for 600ft/lbs)……….. and 2 ton rockwells are old (if not ancient)…………. but christ are they tough……………. most with these run locked 53’s

Paddles ‘n’ blowers etc are just mere accessories…………………..although for off road use I probably rather have NOS then a blower. ........... you need something to make you laugh when it all goes t1ts up


Ian

Dammit - that's just not funny. This is a comedy thread, damn you!

Al.

Ian

you big girlie, i can move a set of mog axles around no probs- don't be such a wussy.

i reckon you'd be better off designing something reliable that will survive a swamp, rather than something cutting edge!

Ian - hook the paddles up to the in car playstation and play pinball while you wait for a recovery truck... of course I know you are old, anyone on nickname terms with Noah has to be knocking on.... did you still want that portal hip joint you asked about? with you on the NOS but............... remember industrial NOS is laced with sulphur, seems like a good idea but the results are rainbow coloured (closed dyno cell, big bottle, 4 idiots....... ask me how I know this one.. )


Al - jokes but also tech, I can fit both in due to my nice short pinions.... ahhhhhh I know its not officially pick on Al day until Tuesday but as the rubber princess isnt about today what else is there to do?

Tony - 13.5 tonnes of fuel an hour on full chat? sweeeeeeet, be nicer if it ran on pandas or pureed dolphins

meow pugwash - I do however have to move my own axles, I dont have a "man" to do it for me

[cricket box - on]



in all seriousness, its messin about sessions that can lead to some interesting ideas...... Caddi 503CID??

Stop it - we're not supposed to be agreeing.

BBC - >"Ford V8 460 super Cobra bolted up to a Tremec Ford TKO600 5 speed overdrive manual & Atlas xfer box"

I came REAL close to that setup myself, but the TKO worked out too long for my wheelbase without fabbing up a custom tailhousing.

So whether or not it was said in comedy, it nearly happened...

Al.

Oi! STOP IT! You and your short 'pinion shaft'. You've got to be rich or 'really nice' to get away with that tiddler...

Every day is Pick On Al Tuesday! Wahoo!

Where is she, anyway???

>" I dont have a "man" to do it for me "

That has GOT to hurt!

Al.

I've just noticed that you have a it well easy with you one car tailes of hardship

I ran two comp car in the BORC last year and both won their classes.

mucked about with a challenge truck

got married (never go for white weddings I feel bancrupt)

started building the pug for the 205 cup.(strupped out two gti's and they sat there untouched ever since)

and you lot argue about which axles to fit......

you lot have it well easy bunch of girls

No Al, ….not comedy ………… that is my long considered ideal setup ……… it ought to be tough as old boots ……….. but like you say the Tremec Ford isn’t exactly a ‘shorty’


But I’ll find a way of making it fit the application



Ian

Bring it on builder boy... the violins are out and warmed up

this year,

no workshop, no money, no time

work on shoot, earn favours, get barn to use, build barn into workshop (walls, ceilings, 1 1/2 tonnes of steel door, wiring, lighting etc) move crap thats scattered about the country in storage into workshop, build Car 1 then build Car 2, fulltime job on top of that, logisitics for 30 odd people in 5 countries to get them all in the same place 2000 miles away, build car 3, plan on car 4, and................... on top of that - remain devilishly stylish maintained by appearances in the top fashion shows as a catwalk model

think you've got it tough? Im got a concert to give tonight after the brain surgery Im currently doing while typing this with a slightly bloody syringe in my mouth

{I may have eaten the wrong mushroom at lunchtime}

Ah! No jokey you makey?

Hmmm, well I thought hard and have the cross-section photos to prove it!

Of course I had to cater for long Mog diff pinions (maybe now the above ragging from the delightful Mr DollythePITA makes more sense...?) - so you'd have some extra capacity there.

I'm there with the Atlas - now sitting in my garage gathering dust (that's what defines progress, right? - number of parts collected?), and an NV4500. Nice and short. I'm also brewing a devilish ploy to reduce pinion length so that I too can have one as short as Jez's! (Just to make him feel better).

But all that aside, I (being of sound mind and body) am bolting a Chevy LSx to the front - I think there is a typo in your 'ideal build' list? Somehow while your brain thought 'Chevy' your fingers typed 'Fart' 'Ford'...

>"But I’ll find a way of making it fit the application "

Brave words!

Al.

P.S. >"on top of that - remain devilishly stylish maintained by appearances in the top fashion shows as a catwalk model"

- it's true - I have seen his acid-house-techno meets Metal-Mickey-catwalk-chic welding gloves, they truly are a thing of beauty!

Jez - Christmas is coming and I WANT A SET !

I can hear the violins on full poor me setting

I know what you mean Jez Moss

No ..... I mean Ford .............. the 460 Super cobra (sometimes called the Jet) .......... 7.5L & 550ponies / 540+ ft/lbs straight out of the box .............. they have more tuning bits available than you can shake a stick at .............. a bit like its smaller brother really........ the 351W.


Ian

Ah! I see you really ARE that old - have they let you out for the day to give your carers some time off?

Are you lost? Are you cold? Do you want a blanket?

550/540 from 7.5 ltrs??? They're just not trying!

I hear the Fords have more limitations/'idiosyncracies' than the Chevies...? Especially the Gen IIIs / Gen IVs (whether or not you believe it qualifies as a new 'generation'). I hear too many grumbles from people who work on both engines to use a Ford... And this thread gives me an opportunity to make damn sure you know about it!

Go on then - what else is in the secret receipe?

Al.

The 460 was a crate race engine ……… expensive here but cheap as chips in the states……nothing draws me to it other than I have always liked big ford V8’s

SBC’s are soooo last year ……….. but the 5.7L will give you anywhere between 250 and 350 ponies straight off the crate …………


My eventual choice will be based on availability Vs dosh at the time of purchase ……… the yanks are king when it comes to V8’s ……….. most of them are fine by me….

I been to see a 90 with the RR 4.4 in today ……….. a very nice job it was too …….. I was asked to help with getting the ecu to ignore all the bits that were missing .............b@ggers wouldn’t let me take pictures…………


Ian

Here's the truck im gonna base my next project on!







Any ideas to what i should be looking at to put this together

Hey Jules remebr at Swindon when we saw ones of thoses take off with the throttle jamed open and along with the Nitrus. Wow that went some and became a boeing when it took off.

Call him a Labour Jez winds him up more
Use to walk around site all day with a cup of coffee and a cig telling people where to dig holes.
Now he sits in a an office and tells some else to walk around site and tell them where to dig holes

Phew, came to this little thread a bit late (too busy MS'ing the Range Rover, took a whole 5 minutes this time ) so I'll be quick:

3 leaf fronts, 4 leaf rears, V8 with MS'n'S-E, 109" wheelbase so you can lay down in the back and windows in the roof so you can look at the giraffes.

Retro is in dudes, as Shirley Bassey sang, "It's all just a little bit of history repeating"

Oh bad timing - there is me burning the candle at both ends, trying to get sorted for Seven Sisters - and you start a bunfight

So much material.....

So little time....

Maybe when I get back from the specialist dry-cleaners, and I can finish my weekend packing, I'll have time to chip in.

Laters

Your going to wear you now PVC suit round SS in moglite that I would love to see

Is the sign out side Williams advertising Nitos refill or is my dyslexia ruling my eyes again

Round two


Warthog - sweet, I like that, do a drawing and then work out a spec sheet and work backwards from there - the more time you spend thinking and drawing (and thinking round problems) the less time it takes to fab, personally, I find its the easiest way to build and you end up with what you wanted in the first place

John, you could lay down in the back of smart car, so a cart springed hurse?....... hmm, now theres an ide....... no, stop it, these voices, you know the ones that say "get the 9 inch....." more pills and they might go quiet?!?! and Shirley Bassett?? for gods sakes, the propellor heads version was much better....... mind you Richard Cheese...? are you bring the Lard re-mixes at the weekend?

Nige - will you stop spouting sense in the axles thread, its unnatural and should be discouraged

Will - why use lots of diffs when you can use 1................ think about it.........

Ian - what was life like in the ice age? Im worried about the weather cockups and thought if I could get some first hand advice I could plan ahead?

Andy - Im going "European Summer colours" in a single seam back, western pleat with single vent, contrasting trim........... you?

Al........... ah, save it for later

Oh Sh*t a garage next door to Moglite doing nitos refills,.

I see trouble ahead

Me too

I can just see Moglite sat on 'run what you brung' at santa pod

44" slicks anyone?



BBC - >"SBC’s are soooo last year ……….. but the 5.7L will give you anywhere between 250 and 350 ponies straight off the crate ………… "

250 to 350 from a 5.7 crate??? When did you last look at the GM factory line-up???

Give them SOME credit!

Al.

You can get yank lumps off the net for £5-6k delivered in a box with 500 bhp garenteed

you portal boy's could run them no problems..

the only thing thats stopping me running an LS is pennies, the other option would be to hook a Tremec 500 up to a Cosworth, twin turbo kits are cheap....... or a 3.8 Bonny Supercharged, or a Northstar

I need a sponsor....

Getting sponor is far from easy and getting cash ones for 4x4's is neerly imposible

My dakar truck was built as a tax dodge as was his entry into the dakar..

nice problem to have.....

Jez - I thought you had a Northstar secreted away??? Is it a shipping issue? At least if it's used you can get the cost of duty RIGHT down...

If it's just shipping cost, it's a cheap source of some proper ponies...

Al.

Ive got one sat in Utah, but as is the way - cheap engine = expensive box, Im tempeted by the LS at the 6 speed manual is getable from Schrams......

Im waiting for some bellhousing info for the V6 supercharged, its a maybe but but turbo gets my vote for boony work as opposed to super (mud proof) which ends up taking me back to Cossies (need a lump and a gearbox and enough spare loot to glue them together), or....... V6 Isuzus, 3.2 litre 192 out of the crate normally aspirated but turbo friendly, 24 valve, all alli, design from the latter half of the 20th century..... or 3litre beemer diesel... money money money


Jules, Im working on it - there are irons in the fire but my suspension bill is somewhere near " 'kin how much??" so if anything does come of it I dont know how much will be left for the suck squeeze bang blow aspect

back to normal - shouldnt you be out digging holes or tarmacing drives?

Lard's Walbum collection never leaves the CD wallet haven't had time to copy it though
I was referring to the propellorheads version - you mean there's an original? Old git...

You can sleep in the back of a smart car if you like, I'll take my 109 and we'll see whose knees have exploded by morning.

almost worth taking the pug as the stereos a bit louder..

ground control to major Tom...

how about a caravan body on your 109? no cab, just the whole thing plopped on top, you could lounge on the sofa while driving and make a pot of tea when you reach a puddle or run out of petrol?

Cart springs belong on carts …………. Pulled by one horse power………

I suppose Tonk will be along in a mo …………I’d best go and hide


Burley Chassis is old enough to be your grandmother


Ian

nothing wrong with a bit of senior citizen luuuuuuuuuuurve


reminds me of little britain...

As used in some of the Rally Raid Uk / Paul Round Desert Warriers. Derrick Edmondson had one out at the UAE Desert Challenge last year and F me did that go, big intercooler and fueling right up was chucking out more black smoke than the Kamaz trucks. Done alright at the Baja GB in it too. I guess Jules knows the truck from the BORC last year where Derrick was getting his license up to speed for the UAE DC. Speaking with Paul Round at the Baja GB it seems he's put a lot of time money into sorting the ECU etc to get the most out of these engines. Now looking at beefing up the rest of the transmission to stand the torque that they are developing.