Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Er Right There are so many things and settings wrong in the MSq I don't know where to start, so lets not Lets restart and get this sorted. Refit the NB Lambda Reload the MSQ I supplied Do a 30-45 mins drive in all stylles (like you stole it, like you have eggs on board up / down hill, heavy traffic) and then upload the MSQ and the XLS file WITHOUT running the changes Then we will see WTF is going on No, I want the NB fitted + My MSQ + datalog and NOT run through TS or MLV ta muchly Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 ErRight There are so many things and settings wrong in the MSq I don't know where to start, so lets not Lets restart and get this sorted. Refit the NB Lambda Reload the MSQ I supplied Do a 30-45 mins drive in all stylles (like you stole it, like you have eggs on board up / down hill, heavy traffic) and then upload the MSQ and the XLS file WITHOUT running the changes Then we will see WTF is going on No, I want the NB fitted + My MSQ + datalog and NOT run through TS or MLV ta muchly Nige Will do, question though, something I'm still not sure on, if load up your original msq, does it load up the original settings too? So, for example, say on the current msq I've got mapdot selected, if I then load up your original msq does that setting go back to tpsdot? Or does it stay mapdot? I tried having a look yesterday but got all confused with it and never found the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Resests EVERYTHING yer tinkering git you N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 Resests EVERYTHING yer tinkering git you N Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Resests EVERYTHING yer tinkering git you N The only setting you should change is from TPS dot to MAP dot. We know there's a problem with your TPS sensor and it'll play havoc with everything if you leave it on TPS dot. So load Nige's original MSQ, change to MAP dot, burn to controller. Drive. Datalog. Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Hold on ! Don't go changing anything. Load the MSQ from me, and do a datalog. - don't run it just post up the MSQ and the XLS log Ltes get things properly sorted and as they should be, if the TPS isn't behaving let do some work between us and sotrt it, let ensure everything is as it should be and if it isn;t sort it. I would like to see what the MLV / TS does to my MSQ and work out why. Also make sure all the basic bits and bobs are as they should be. THEN and only then we can see what the issues are for fine tweaks As fridge said re thermostat and moi on deckchairs Its good to have issues, understand and sort them, knowlledge grows for the future, bypassing "Issues" is never a great plan, whilst its fine for a "Get me Home" type thing, there is no reason we can't get Mikes MSQ / Engine purr like a kitten standing in cream N Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Yes, alright. Let's be certain we've got a TPS issue. We've only got one datalog to show it so far - we should have another to confirm it. Do as Nige says. NB sensor, his basic MSQ, burn it, drive and datalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Ok nige can you do me a favour and re email me your msq. That way we can be sure I've not changed anything I shouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 ok i think thois is what you wabted, now the datalog o this map is too big to put on here its 2.5. shall i just email or is there a SIMPLE way of reducing the size to put it on here. should say i think the kangooring was worse on tis map, also strated it from cold so can see perhaps whats happening with cold start (no pwm) it also smelt rich in the cab cheers mike 4.6 Rover V8 Std and Safe MSQ - Slightly Rich on Fuel Soft on Spark 2012.msq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 ok i think thois is what you wabted, now the datalog o this map is too big to put on here its 2.5. shall i just email or is there a SIMPLE way of reducing the size to put it on here.should say i think the kangooring was worse on tis map, also strated it from cold so can see perhaps whats happening with cold start (no pwm) it also smelt rich in the cab cheers mike Email it to me, I'll cut it into bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Will do, cheers, just having to download ie8 now cos hotmail won't let me add attachments today! Was ok yesterday though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Use a proper browser ffs! Chrome, FF or Opera, all a million miles then the pile-o-s... IE8 is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Use a proper browser ffs!Chrome, FF or Opera, all a million miles then the pile-o-s... IE8 is. I know nothing about browsers etc, 99% of the time I'm on the iPad anyway, only times like uploading these when I use the laptop on the net. Hopefully it might have installed when I get back in a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Ok finally sorted the explorer out, so should hopefully be emailed over now, also emailed it Nige too. Cheers mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Didn't realise you were having problems mike, shoulda text me and I could have checked over your WB setup, needs setting up in the configurator/project properties as well you see! Anyway, best advice is as above, get back to very basic basics, the car should rung perfectly on nige's original msq. Good luck, text me and come down to the garage if you have brain ache! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I've cut the log down so it'll fit within the forum limits. I'm seeing noise on the TPS sensor here again. Not as bad as last time, but it's still there and mucking with the fuelling. datalog201305161750nigemap.xls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 The connectors have come now so ill put another tps on it. How are you seeing the noise exactly? I presume you go onto megatune and playback the log, but when I tried that I wasn't sure what the "noise" would appear as. Least then I can try things and check myself if its still there or not. Cheers mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Hmmm 1st things 1st Mike Ignition on Open Megatune Click on tools and calibrate TPS click on top box push acell pedal to floor and click 2nd box note values Post up closed / open values here Then Right click on any guage select "TPS" guage will appear 0-100% Push pedal to floor, does it go 0-100% Post up Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Certainly seems like you are losing your TPS values at various points as it drops down to zero, with no change in RPM, and then comes back up, drops etc, again without rpm or MAP changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 How are you seeing the noise exactly? Generally, any sensor value that jumps around rather than changing smoothly, or as you would expect it. It's easier to see on a graph, there's some explanation here with pictures, and some good info on troubleshooting & TPSDot / Accel tuning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I open the file in excel and look through the list. Where the TPSacc jumps, I'm looking for a decrease in MAP and an increase in the TP column. However, with big TPS jumps I'm seeing no other changes, other than the MS responding to it thinking that you've just given it a bootfull and starts pouring in fuel (PW column) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 You are also getting restes in the Datalog which is bad news Normally a poor connection / earth Mike, On the MAT and CTS where are the earths connected to please ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 Ok tps values are 17 and 254 Tps guage goes 0-100% and back again nice and relative to the pedal movement. Just a check I've got the wiring correct, just in case I've got green tps return red to tps and yellow to vref Resets happen when cold starting, cos it doesn't fast idle it just stalls, bit of a pig. None of them resets have occurred when its warm. All the earths go to a common earth inside the waterproof box then go straight to the battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 Didn't realise you were having problems mike, shoulda text me and I could have checked over your WB setup, needs setting up in the configurator/project properties as well you see!Anyway, best advice is as above, get back to very basic basics, the car should rung perfectly on nige's original msq. Good luck, text me and come down to the garage if you have brain ache! No worries mate, ill see how we get on here, but looks like ill have to move the wiring about for the wb if/when I come to refit it. I open the file in excel and look through the list. Where the TPSacc jumps, I'm looking for a decrease in MAP and an increase in the TP column.However, with big TPS jumps I'm seeing no other changes, other than the MS responding to it thinking that you've just given it a bootfull and starts pouring in fuel (PW column) Ah ok ill have a look, that way I can hopefully check it for myself too. Cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 All the earths go to a common earth inside the waterproof box then go straight to the battery. Mike When you say "Common" CTS and MAT sensor earths need to go to the earth bar on the ECU and THEN from the ecu to ground (battery) if your earths are NOT going back to the ECU then you will get poor quality signals The lambda has 2 whites, one is 12v Positive the other should be earthed to chassis, the balck to transmit and the grey to ECU earth Please advise Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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