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I understand people get attached to their vehicles but to refuse a PUMA is daft. IT is faster, quieter, more economical, has carpets, has a decent heater and aircon and a radio that works.

To turn this down out of principle doesn't make sense. Unless you are a luddite and frightened of all the knobs and buttons on the dash :ph34r:

you can't go any faster than the speed limits

my 200tdi is plenty quick enough for my needs

it has a decent radio/CD & carpets.

not bothered with air con -- just open a window

got more buttons on my truckk than any 'puma' & I hate that name it should have been badged as a TdCI.

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I'm very fond of my Td5 110 - it's the best LR I've owned! I'd quite like a Puma as it's replacement!

On a different, slightly more on-topic note, When you enter the LEZ, is there anything (an electronic sign?) which tells you what you are going to be charged? Or are you supposed to work it out for yourself - and pay the fine if you get it wrong? Since there seem to be queries over many vehicles - a definite indication before you enter, so you can pick an alternative route if possible or at least exercise an informed choice would make sense!

Si

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I've had the chance to drive a Puma as a courtesy car for the day (Ashcroft's automatic customer tester vehicle for anyone that cares) and would have no problems owning one. Admittedly I don't like the idea that the engine isn't made by Land Rover, or the multitude of computers that are no doubt on it.

But as long as I'm paying for my Landy, I'm sticking to my 200tdi.

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I'm very fond of my Td5 110 - it's the best LR I've owned! I'd quite like a Puma as it's replacement!

On a different, slightly more on-topic note, When you enter the LEZ, is there anything (an electronic sign?) which tells you what you are going to be charged? Or are you supposed to work it out for yourself - and pay the fine if you get it wrong? Since there seem to be queries over many vehicles - a definite indication before you enter, so you can pick an alternative route if possible or at least exercise an informed choice would make sense!

Si

It was posted in one of the many threads on this (can't remember which one) that the first time you stray into the zone they send you a letter but don't charge you, if you stray in anytime in the next 28 days you also won't be charged. After that then they assume you know about it and will have to pay if you enter again. I haven't seen this on the LEZ site itself so use the info at your own risk.....

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Found it http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/roadusers/lez/LEZ/LEZ-VO-Supplementary-Information-May-2010.pdf

4.15 TfL will issue a 28 day warning letter instead of a PCN the first time a non-compliant

vehicle is seen in the Zone in order to give registered keepers every opportunity to

comply with the Scheme. If the vehicle is used in the Zone again after the 28 day

warning period has expired, and it is still non-compliant, the registered keeper may

be issued with a PCN.

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That's encouraging! Twice now, I've been sufficiently worried that I've done a U turn when I strayed (helped by TomTom) into the LEZ area!

I expect this will hit Ikea and Costco in Croydon (generally the only reason I drive inside the LEZ). The car parks are usually full of vans & LR's!

Si

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That's encouraging! Twice now, I've been sufficiently worried that I've done a U turn when I strayed (helped by TomTom) into the LEZ area!

I expect this will hit Ikea and Costco in Croydon (generally the only reason I drive inside the LEZ). The car parks are usually full of vans & LR's!

Si

The Mrs will be dragging you around to Lakeside now then for the Ikea and Costco fix :blink: Arguable if taking the Mrs to Lakeside with all the other shops would be cheaper than the £100 charge or even the £750 charge for failing to pay within 28 days! :lol:

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That's encouraging! Twice now, I've been sufficiently worried that I've done a U turn when I strayed (helped by TomTom) into the LEZ area!

I expect this will hit Ikea and Costco in Croydon (generally the only reason I drive inside the LEZ). The car parks are usually full of vans & LR's!

Si

I thought it didn't affect Defenders until 2012! :rolleyes:

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The Mrs will be dragging you around to Lakeside now then for the Ikea and Costco fix :blink: Arguable if taking the Mrs to Lakeside with all the other shops would be cheaper than the £100 charge or even the £750 charge for failing to pay within 28 days! :lol:

Thats part of the joke of it all though. How much farther is lakeside compared to the local ikea? You'll actually end up polluting more because of a scheme that was meant to decrease pollution! I guess they dont care if it is not in the LEZ.

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Thats part of the joke of it all though. How much farther is lakeside compared to the local ikea? You'll actually end up polluting more because of a scheme that was meant to decrease pollution! I guess they dont care if it is not in the LEZ.

Well in my case it is 4 times the distance, :blink: .

When you read all the literature for the LEZ they are convinced that all that's going to happen is the 'fleet' as they like to call it will just get renewed sooner and everyone will be compliant with shiny new vehicles. Which in the terms of commercial users may well be fine (I don't profess to know the intricacies of business accounting) .... but strangely enough my private vehicle is not tax deductable so won't be getting renewed. So as you say ..... more polution elsewhere and less business in the Greater London Area.

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Ok, silly idea time.

Does Q plating a Land Rover via an SVA mean you are in effect the vehicle manufacturer and as such can say it is a private car?

I'm sure everyone is now going to pipe up that it's easier to buy a new Defender than to try Q plating. I'm not planning on doing this, just wondering what the score is with Q plated vehicles in general and with the LEZ more specifically.

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  • 2 months later...

Update

London Low Emission Zone (LEZ) – Clarification of affected Land Rover models

Please note updated text below.

The London Low Emission Zone (LEZ) was first introduced in 2008. Vehicles which are subject to the LEZ must either meet certain emission standards, or pay a £100 daily charge to drive in Greater London.

Initially, the LEZ applied only to HGVs and coaches, but this is due to change on 3 January 2012, when existing standards for HGVs and coaches will become stricter. Larger vans, minibuses and other specialist diesel vehicles will be given LEZ standards to meet for the first time. On this basis, some Land Rover models are affected:

Pre-02MY Defenders are subject to LEZ, except 98MY to 02MY Defenders homologated as an 'estate' (90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat) this will be indicated on the vehicle registration document (V5C).

Memo: The DVLA is aware that some 90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat have been described as ‘light 4x4 utility’ on the V5C. For owners of 90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat whose vehicles are described as 'light 4x4 utility' and have a date of manufacture after 1998, the DVLA will amend the certificate to show ‘estate’. Customers are asked to forward the V5C to the DVLA, signed, dated and marked with the appropriate change to ‘estate’. They will then amend the vehicle record and issue a new V5C."

Owners of 90 Station Wagon/110 Station Wagon 9 seat pre-98MYs can register their vehicle with Transport for London (TfL) with suitable photographic proofs if they intend to use their vehicle in the LEZ.

• Other Land Rover Commercial Vehicles (e.g. Freelander 1 - pre 01MY, Discovery and Discovery 2 - pre 02MY) are also subject to LEZ. This is also applies to conversions e.g. Motor-home, Ambulances (including Range Rover derived conversions).

• Vehicles constructed before 1973 are classed as historic, and are therefore exempt from the LEZ.

For further information please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez

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Another useful segment from the tfl website, they now finally have a bit just about Land Rovers.

Land Rovers

We have worked with Land Rover to establish which vehicles with the body type of 'Light 4x4 Utility Vehicle' are subject to the LEZ. Vehicles manufactured before 1973 are considered to be 'historic' vehicles and are exempt from the LEZ.

The vehicles listed below are subject to the LEZ standards:

  • All Defenders; 88s, 90s, 109s,110s, 127 and 130s (except station wagon variants with up to 9 seats)
  • Freelander Commercial
  • Discovery or Discovery Series 2 Commercial
  • Conversions (eg Ambulance, Motorhome)

The following vehicles are not subject to LEZ as these are classed as 'estates':

  • Defender, 88, 90,109 and 110 station wagons up to 9 seats inc the drivers

Certain vehicles meet the Euro 3 standard because they are early adopters:

  • All Defenders, 90s, 110s, 127s and 130s manufactured after 6 August 2001
  • Freelander Commercial manufactured after 14 September 2000
  • Discovery or Discovery Series 2 Commercial manufactured after 2 July 2001
  • Conversions (e.g. Ambulance, Motorhome) manufactured after 2 January 2002

We've updated our database to reflect these vehicles'emission standards.

A small number of Defenders, 90s and 110s may be a 'station wagon', but may not be classified as such by the DVLA. If your vehicle has side windows and fixed seats in the back of the vehicle, and up to 9 seats including the drivers seat, it will not be subject to the LEZ. In these circumstances you need to:

  • For models registered from 1998 - correct the body type description, vehicle model details and/or number of seats with the DVLA
  • For models registered before 1998 - register your vehicle with TfL with suitable photographic proofs if you intend to use the vehicle in the LEZ.

If you have a Land Rover which is not listed above, please contact us to find out if your vehicle is subject to LEZ.

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So basically all Station Wagons are exempt regardless of age, after 1998 the DVLA will update V5's and before 1998 TFL give you an exemption if you take some pretty pictures.

The wording also makes it look like you could convert a hard top to a station wagon and register it with TFL.... it's open to interpretation.

Thank you to MJIbex for posting the update.... you have made my day! :)

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Presumably one would take some photos of the windows and seats in the back, then send them off to TFL with a covering letter, then they would amend the record.

Very much open to interpretation though as above, do the seats need to be in the very back, or do 2nd row seats in a 110 count?

I'll fill one in for my 110, post it off, and see what happens.

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Presumably one would take some photos of the windows and seats in the back, then send them off to TFL with a covering letter, then they would amend the record.

Very much open to interpretation though as above, do the seats need to be in the very back, or do 2nd row seats in a 110 count?

I'll fill one in for my 110, post it off, and see what happens.

Hope you already have photos as taking them now will be a tad difficult :)

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