Retroanaconda Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I'm no luddite, I just don't like the new dash style, or the Transit-derived engine. All the problems with the older models can be fixed, and I can end up with a much better vehicle to my requirements, for a lot less than £27k! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 People might not necessarily want Faster, carpets or aircon. Anyway... you wouldnt need to worry about all the extra knobs and buttons as they will soon stop working ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 All quite academic really as I have yet to find the 'Free Puma here queue' so far I like the simplicity of the older vehicles. Oh and were carpets really not available till the Puma came out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Oh and were carpets really not available till the Puma came out? They'll be as much use as they were in the older CSWs if the puma still leaks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I understand people get attached to their vehicles but to refuse a PUMA is daft. IT is faster, quieter, more economical, has carpets, has a decent heater and aircon and a radio that works. To turn this down out of principle doesn't make sense. Unless you are a luddite and frightened of all the knobs and buttons on the dash you can't go any faster than the speed limits my 200tdi is plenty quick enough for my needs it has a decent radio/CD & carpets. not bothered with air con -- just open a window got more buttons on my truckk than any 'puma' & I hate that name it should have been badged as a TdCI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I'm very fond of my Td5 110 - it's the best LR I've owned! I'd quite like a Puma as it's replacement! On a different, slightly more on-topic note, When you enter the LEZ, is there anything (an electronic sign?) which tells you what you are going to be charged? Or are you supposed to work it out for yourself - and pay the fine if you get it wrong? Since there seem to be queries over many vehicles - a definite indication before you enter, so you can pick an alternative route if possible or at least exercise an informed choice would make sense! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 paying the congestion charge paying the LEZ charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I've had the chance to drive a Puma as a courtesy car for the day (Ashcroft's automatic customer tester vehicle for anyone that cares) and would have no problems owning one. Admittedly I don't like the idea that the engine isn't made by Land Rover, or the multitude of computers that are no doubt on it. But as long as I'm paying for my Landy, I'm sticking to my 200tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I'm very fond of my Td5 110 - it's the best LR I've owned! I'd quite like a Puma as it's replacement! On a different, slightly more on-topic note, When you enter the LEZ, is there anything (an electronic sign?) which tells you what you are going to be charged? Or are you supposed to work it out for yourself - and pay the fine if you get it wrong? Since there seem to be queries over many vehicles - a definite indication before you enter, so you can pick an alternative route if possible or at least exercise an informed choice would make sense! Si It was posted in one of the many threads on this (can't remember which one) that the first time you stray into the zone they send you a letter but don't charge you, if you stray in anytime in the next 28 days you also won't be charged. After that then they assume you know about it and will have to pay if you enter again. I haven't seen this on the LEZ site itself so use the info at your own risk..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Found it http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/roadusers/lez/LEZ/LEZ-VO-Supplementary-Information-May-2010.pdf 4.15 TfL will issue a 28 day warning letter instead of a PCN the first time a non-compliant vehicle is seen in the Zone in order to give registered keepers every opportunity to comply with the Scheme. If the vehicle is used in the Zone again after the 28 day warning period has expired, and it is still non-compliant, the registered keeper may be issued with a PCN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 That's encouraging! Twice now, I've been sufficiently worried that I've done a U turn when I strayed (helped by TomTom) into the LEZ area! I expect this will hit Ikea and Costco in Croydon (generally the only reason I drive inside the LEZ). The car parks are usually full of vans & LR's! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 That's encouraging! Twice now, I've been sufficiently worried that I've done a U turn when I strayed (helped by TomTom) into the LEZ area! I expect this will hit Ikea and Costco in Croydon (generally the only reason I drive inside the LEZ). The car parks are usually full of vans & LR's! Si The Mrs will be dragging you around to Lakeside now then for the Ikea and Costco fix Arguable if taking the Mrs to Lakeside with all the other shops would be cheaper than the £100 charge or even the £750 charge for failing to pay within 28 days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve King Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 That's encouraging! Twice now, I've been sufficiently worried that I've done a U turn when I strayed (helped by TomTom) into the LEZ area! I expect this will hit Ikea and Costco in Croydon (generally the only reason I drive inside the LEZ). The car parks are usually full of vans & LR's! Si I thought it didn't affect Defenders until 2012! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The Mrs will be dragging you around to Lakeside now then for the Ikea and Costco fix Arguable if taking the Mrs to Lakeside with all the other shops would be cheaper than the £100 charge or even the £750 charge for failing to pay within 28 days! Thats part of the joke of it all though. How much farther is lakeside compared to the local ikea? You'll actually end up polluting more because of a scheme that was meant to decrease pollution! I guess they dont care if it is not in the LEZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Thats part of the joke of it all though. How much farther is lakeside compared to the local ikea? You'll actually end up polluting more because of a scheme that was meant to decrease pollution! I guess they dont care if it is not in the LEZ. Well in my case it is 4 times the distance, . When you read all the literature for the LEZ they are convinced that all that's going to happen is the 'fleet' as they like to call it will just get renewed sooner and everyone will be compliant with shiny new vehicles. Which in the terms of commercial users may well be fine (I don't profess to know the intricacies of business accounting) .... but strangely enough my private vehicle is not tax deductable so won't be getting renewed. So as you say ..... more polution elsewhere and less business in the Greater London Area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ok, silly idea time. Does Q plating a Land Rover via an SVA mean you are in effect the vehicle manufacturer and as such can say it is a private car? I'm sure everyone is now going to pipe up that it's easier to buy a new Defender than to try Q plating. I'm not planning on doing this, just wondering what the score is with Q plated vehicles in general and with the LEZ more specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJIbex Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Update London Low Emission Zone (LEZ) – Clarification of affected Land Rover models Please note updated text below. The London Low Emission Zone (LEZ) was first introduced in 2008. Vehicles which are subject to the LEZ must either meet certain emission standards, or pay a £100 daily charge to drive in Greater London. Initially, the LEZ applied only to HGVs and coaches, but this is due to change on 3 January 2012, when existing standards for HGVs and coaches will become stricter. Larger vans, minibuses and other specialist diesel vehicles will be given LEZ standards to meet for the first time. On this basis, some Land Rover models are affected: Pre-02MY Defenders are subject to LEZ, except 98MY to 02MY Defenders homologated as an 'estate' (90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat) this will be indicated on the vehicle registration document (V5C). Memo: The DVLA is aware that some 90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat have been described as ‘light 4x4 utility’ on the V5C. For owners of 90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat whose vehicles are described as 'light 4x4 utility' and have a date of manufacture after 1998, the DVLA will amend the certificate to show ‘estate’. Customers are asked to forward the V5C to the DVLA, signed, dated and marked with the appropriate change to ‘estate’. They will then amend the vehicle record and issue a new V5C." • Owners of 90 Station Wagon/110 Station Wagon 9 seat pre-98MYs can register their vehicle with Transport for London (TfL) with suitable photographic proofs if they intend to use their vehicle in the LEZ. • Other Land Rover Commercial Vehicles (e.g. Freelander 1 - pre 01MY, Discovery and Discovery 2 - pre 02MY) are also subject to LEZ. This is also applies to conversions e.g. Motor-home, Ambulances (including Range Rover derived conversions). • Vehicles constructed before 1973 are classed as historic, and are therefore exempt from the LEZ. For further information please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Sounds like a good excuse to own a smoky 2286 Series 2 and commute into westminster every day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smego Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Does that mean as my 110 isn't a Defender I am exempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Another useful segment from the tfl website, they now finally have a bit just about Land Rovers. Land Rovers We have worked with Land Rover to establish which vehicles with the body type of 'Light 4x4 Utility Vehicle' are subject to the LEZ. Vehicles manufactured before 1973 are considered to be 'historic' vehicles and are exempt from the LEZ. The vehicles listed below are subject to the LEZ standards: All Defenders; 88s, 90s, 109s,110s, 127 and 130s (except station wagon variants with up to 9 seats) Freelander Commercial Discovery or Discovery Series 2 Commercial Conversions (eg Ambulance, Motorhome) The following vehicles are not subject to LEZ as these are classed as 'estates': Defender, 88, 90,109 and 110 station wagons up to 9 seats inc the drivers Certain vehicles meet the Euro 3 standard because they are early adopters: All Defenders, 90s, 110s, 127s and 130s manufactured after 6 August 2001 Freelander Commercial manufactured after 14 September 2000 Discovery or Discovery Series 2 Commercial manufactured after 2 July 2001 Conversions (e.g. Ambulance, Motorhome) manufactured after 2 January 2002 We've updated our database to reflect these vehicles'emission standards. A small number of Defenders, 90s and 110s may be a 'station wagon', but may not be classified as such by the DVLA. If your vehicle has side windows and fixed seats in the back of the vehicle, and up to 9 seats including the drivers seat, it will not be subject to the LEZ. In these circumstances you need to: For models registered from 1998 - correct the body type description, vehicle model details and/or number of seats with the DVLA For models registered before 1998 - register your vehicle with TfL with suitable photographic proofs if you intend to use the vehicle in the LEZ. If you have a Land Rover which is not listed above, please contact us to find out if your vehicle is subject to LEZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So basically all Station Wagons are exempt regardless of age, after 1998 the DVLA will update V5's and before 1998 TFL give you an exemption if you take some pretty pictures. The wording also makes it look like you could convert a hard top to a station wagon and register it with TFL.... it's open to interpretation. Thank you to MJIbex for posting the update.... you have made my day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_wingnut Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I don't effing believe it!! I've just forked out for a V8 megasquirt and all I needed was some poxy side windows and seats!!!!! I think I might jump in the Thames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Theoretical here... So if I wanted to drive in London... my 90 was built as a Station Wagon, but the V5 says light 4x4 utility. But to 'reclassify' it I need pictures of the windows (got) and seats in the back (not got!). How would you go about doing that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Presumably one would take some photos of the windows and seats in the back, then send them off to TFL with a covering letter, then they would amend the record. Very much open to interpretation though as above, do the seats need to be in the very back, or do 2nd row seats in a 110 count? I'll fill one in for my 110, post it off, and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Presumably one would take some photos of the windows and seats in the back, then send them off to TFL with a covering letter, then they would amend the record. Very much open to interpretation though as above, do the seats need to be in the very back, or do 2nd row seats in a 110 count? I'll fill one in for my 110, post it off, and see what happens. Hope you already have photos as taking them now will be a tad difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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