reb78 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I bought a set of these which arrived today: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Halogen-Crystal-headlamps-for-Land-Rover-Defender-head-lights-H4-round-7-90-110-/400642196833?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d4822c561 Look ok, so i got on with fitting them. I pulled the old headlight unit, stuck the bulk in the new one, aligned it and then put the old chrome retaining ring on it and tightened the ring up. Trouble is, the new headlight could move back and forth about 5mm with the ring tight, so it would wobble all over the show when driving. Looking at the locating lugs on the back of the new light, they were ~5mm shorter than the lugs on the original so the new light didnt sit as proud as the old one, hence why the ring didnt hold it tight. As here: Old light on the right, new on the left - the retaining/locating lugs are taller on the old light. My 110 is a 1989 - was there a change in headlight after that? They are noted as fitting 1990 models. Anyone else had this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Currently having exactly the same problem! Trying to get the 110 ready for it's MOT and as all the reflective material is at the bottom of the headlights, I thought oh got a pair of new light units, just bung em in. But like yourself they bloody rattle and I cannot see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I had the same problem a few years ago, with my new wipac crystal poly carbs. My solution which is still in place, is a gasket made from a length of old flexible silicon/squishy ps/2 mouse cable. Diameters of cable vary but as I had a bucket load of old mice I selected and cut two lengths and put a dab of evostick on the wire then stuck around the unit. PVC cable isn't much good as it wont squish down Cant remember if it was in front or behind the unit but it has been there a few years without issue. HTH Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's just annoying as the ad says they will fit all makes. So, Jef, are they the paddocks ones you are using? They were going to be my next choice. (Plus, it's a half hour job to change the bulbs on a defender, so wasting time taking out and replacing the old lights isn't that much fun!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I seem to remember that some rings are deeper/ shallower than others. Half an hour to change the H4 lamp. No way. Just open bonnet and lean over the wing to undo the cover and clips. Lamp out of headlight, undo connectors then replace, simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 That's interesting. Surely there are/should be two types of headlamp sold to match the different rings... For bulb changing, did I read somewhere that you don't have the bowls fitted Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 There are at least two types of bowls available. You can get full bowls that you can make a cup and fill it with water. Then you have what I have fitted. The center of the bowl back cut out. I don't know who makes/ supplies them. Of course if yours are plastic, then a jig saw makes life easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 After much searching.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WIPAC-7-HEADLAMP-PLASTIC-MOUNTING-HALF-BODY-REF-S5669-/111107085950?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&clk_r HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thanks mike. Appreciated. If I change these, I guess I will alter the alignment and need to get it reset? Is there a DIY way of doing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thanks mike. Appreciated. If I change these, I guess I will alter the alignment and need to get it reset? Is there a DIY way of doing this? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's just annoying as the ad says they will fit all makes. So, Jef, are they the paddocks ones you are using? They were going to be my next choice. (Plus, it's a half hour job to change the bulbs on a defender, so wasting time taking out and replacing the old lights isn't that much fun!!) Yup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes Thanks mike. Appreciated. If I change these, I guess I will alter the alignment and need to get it reset? Is there a DIY way of doing this? Manuals used show how to do it up against a wall (oooh eeerrrr) light pattern that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think normally it is just that the old rings are bent.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 There are at least two types of bowls available. You can get full bowls that you can make a cup and fill it with water. Then you have what I have fitted. The center of the bowl back cut out. I don't know who makes/ supplies them. Of course if yours are plastic, then a jig saw makes life easy. Wipac make both of the types. both a full bowl and ones with the middle missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've got those headlight fitted to the Wipac backless bowls, the retainer clips are screwed onto the bowls at the 3 locating points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 When I replaced the sealed beams in my '86 90 I used the cheapest h4 set that paddocks do, I've never had much joy with the adjusters and chrome rings so I ordered new plastic buckets at the same time When I fitted them I put a 75mm hole saw through the back of the bucket so I can change bulbs without the faff of taking the front end apart. The cheapo h4 lamps fit the buckets just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 http://www.wipac-aftermarket.com/uk/acatalog/Components.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorrick Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I found with my Halogen Crystal headlamps, that they are loose in the retainers and they do not focus properly, they do not have a defining line on the beam, nearly failed the MOT so will be going back to OEM Glass with bulb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 the pattern is set by the reflector not the glass lense, are yours fitted the right way up ? the lense should have a left pointing arrow to denote the dip beam direction for right hand drive vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Now, as an update, the company have said that they may have a replacement with lugs that are a similar depth to my original ones - this route would be easier than changing the bowls, but the description of the specs is as follows: Specification Summary Lens - clear polycarbonate plastic with anti-scratch coating. Reflector - Multi surface plastic reflector ( non rusting ) Bulb - Halogen H4 ( not provided ) E Marked - No ( but will pass MOT ) Question is, about the last line - if they are not e marked, are they legal??? I dont want to find myself uninsured or something at a later date just for a set of headlights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Freak Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Don't buy with out E-mark. Most MOT stations will only be interested in the light dipping correctly, but if they check it's likely to be a fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 without a E mark they are not legal in Europe or UK. your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks Chaps. I'll tell them not to worry about the replacement. I wonder how many of these lights are bought and fitted without the owners knowing of the legalities...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorrick Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 the pattern is set by the reflector not the glass lense, are yours fitted the right way up ? the lense should have a left pointing arrow to denote the dip beam direction for right hand drive vehicles. Hi Western Yes they are the right way as in the fog I stopped and ajusted them? as you could see the line, but it is not a clear line it just fades into darkness, and looking at the light tester thingy in the MOT bay there is not a defining mark, just a fuzzy blur ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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