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Not sure what you mean by piston, but I suspect we are talking about the same thing. You have the two ‘top hats’, top and bottom and the bladder in the middle. Yes, you certainly know when the pop off, as you get a loud bang. You just open the driver’s door to immediately stop it self leveling down, so no need to go down to the bump stops. If you need to then close the door, either pull the eas relay or open the rear tailgate while you pop the bag back on. I’ve done it tons of times, when experimenting how far you could go with the Arnott long bladders when they first came out, it takes less than ten minutes to put the bladder back on. Worst one I had was on the gap road, with a river running down my back. 🙄 With the right air setup you can easily fit 255/85 16’s on a p38. Personally, if you plan to off road, I’d ditch the front bumper and the side steps. For the rear bumper you can cut it and redo the exhausts to give a good departure angle...

Why not post the answer for the benefit of future folks?

As a side note, I'm surprised to see it is 9 years since we did this 😕

I think the spec and looks are good, keen to see prices, this could be the killer if they have the same inflated egos of LR and Jeep (now in Europe) All the folks defending the spec & design of the new Defender, and all the bullpoo from LR that you can't meet modern safety and climate regs any other way, kind of have to eat humble pie now. I can’t wait to see the first back to back decent off road test between this and the new Defender.

Why are you so keen to ensure we all know how shiit we've been? You don't have a stake in this, so why do you need to ensure we're in no doubt we've failed? Besides, trying to compare the inaccuracy of statistics using other statistics is nonsensical. Almost as much as trying to compare countries with vastly different population demographics. Every death from this thing is a failure, we don't need you to state it. You used to be a voice of reason on here, something's gone seriously wrong over the last 6 months.

Same here - I'd love to be sat at the pub in the sunshine but nothing about the virus has actually changed.

Every death is a failure, every life is a win. Every company that goes bust is a failure and every company that survives is a win. There is no right and wrong way to do it because no one know the answer. I just hope as many as possible survive both mentally, physically and economically. We're all in this together so stop comparing sizes and push forwards! Mike

......it's not a bloody competition , and I'm quite happy to assume that there are no true numbers reported anywhere , either by intention or more likely lack of data. The "change in rules " is purely about the economic flow and getting some income into economies (and treasuries ) worldwide before the next wave of infections and deaths , I'd be happy to be wrong , time will tell . Stay safe and be careful , I certainly am . Steve b

Travel to remote places Sir ? Of course, one of our customers regularly takes theirs to Waitrose in Ampthill !

I priced one up, but the base spec 110 is £45k and if financed I object in principle to paying more than £51k (with interest) for a £45k car that will probably only be worth £30k once paid for.

To my eternal disgust all the post 1998 300Tdi engines have "Industria Argentina" on the engine block, even the ones fitted at the factory up until 2006. I presume they bought in the blocks. Never had a problem with them though.

If I had the money, I'd already be sending Ineos a deposit. I wouldn't even care if that made me an inadvertent test-driver because I want to encourage them in every way possible. They have taken on the polar opposites of today's regulation-intense manufacturing climate and the niche market need for a "proper" Land Rover type vehicle and, apparently, made it work in a way that shows the absolute minimum of compromise. Apart from (probably) the wheels, I can't imagine any Defender parts would fit but this IS the true successor to the loooong line of Land Rovers (which are no longer made by the original manufacturer - which doesn't really exist anyway). Even that odd-looking boat in the front makes sense and would serve better than the bulbous nose on the new Defender. This thing has good design, which makes an absolute mockery of that ego-maniac McGovern and all his spouting about "design cues". In fact, JLR should pay Ineos to put the Land Rover name on the front of every Grenadier because, that way, Land Rover would regain some of its reputation! Assuming (with some confidence) that they don't do something idiotic with the ergonomics or electronics, etc., I can see this being the only viable replacement for my 110 amongst any modern vehicle. Was that too strong a statement? Yup, I would support a Grenadier sub-forum too. It's a happy day for Land Rover fans, if a bit left-field.

It starts! Put fuel in, took the pin out of the fire extinguisher, pressurised the system, had a leak around the cannister on the fuel filter (bad O ring), binned it, fitted an in-line filter, bought another (bigger) fire extinguisher, checked the whole system, pressurised it, no leaks. Fired right up, ran like a pig at first and then settled into a rough idle around 1200 RPM. Tacho says it's doing >6000 RPM but MS and my ears say otherwise so have to look at that. It is smoking a fair bit of blue smoke and smells like burning oil but it's been sat for 8 years so I'm going to get it properly hot before I get too worried. There's a lot of smoke from everywhere while the diverse range of schmoo burns off. I'm getting a very odd hesitation when applying throttle, it's almost carb-like in the initial stall then revving. I've not touched the stepper motor so do I need to if it's running?

If you are infected you are spewing out virus with each breath and that’s before any coughs and sneezes. It’s going to be more and go further without a mask and be hanging around in the air. Inside, masks are way the to go. Everybody just keep their current germs to themselves.

I cant take credit for this but it does work once your flap wheel has rounded off at the edge its usefulness decreases however if you hold the disc at an angle and rub it across a concrete floor whilst it's running it restores the edge all be it at a smaller diameter if you use as many discs as I do it's a great help dont forget to wear eye protection regards Stephen

I agree with the first and the last part but there absolutely are right ways and wrong ways to do this. People get paid good money to get this right and I don’t expect to be 6 months into a pandemic and have the advice be “yes maybe masks are a thing, and let’s maybe do testing” You look at how long and many deaths there were before most countries started getting it together, we are so screwed for climate change.... anyway you are all a bunch of spanner wielders now go away or I shall taunt you all for a second time 🙂

This ...

I think I'll just carry on as I have been for a while longer yet, I'm quite content to let others dip a toe in uncharted waters for now.

A bit of good news: Pat, Paul's wife is continuing his business (after fighting off the lawyers etc). I've just placed my first order, I'm sure she needs all the help she can get as it has been a very though year so far. And I'm very happy to get quality parts at a correct price (unlike from some other vendors). Filip

Finished all the machining on "wine racks" lol and will finish painting today .... Will get some pics of them when I'm done Heres a little taster for the rest of the tool sort out for my electrical stuff.... I picked up some tool/part organisers cheap, they are robust and don't have lots of irrelevant design carp to them to make them look "tough" (that just takes up space lol).... and they have removable internals I was originally going to do this with Teng Organiser stuff but here in NZ we don't get the cheap deals on Teng stuff lol and the other part is my vacumn former is in my Australian tool box (we arn't allowed to travel to Australia till Covid is sorted) so here is some 3D printing

I'd like to see an actual vehicle rather than a CGI rendering

I'm with Drumstick on this, if it's cheap power you want, and if it's a weekender toy, the TDi is very good. However... there's more than a few, and I'm one of them, that has theirs out again. It's not a pleasant conversion, and for me there's little point if the driving experience is pretty poor. You'll never get noise to reasonable levels, and to 'go' you'll be box-stirring. Yes, it's cheap, fairly simple to do, and it will 'go' well. The 200TDi has been the herd-choice. Be minded to how those that tell you to fit a TDi, truly use the things. I actually drive mine. Just know what you're getting.... If it's cheap you want, and you're not intending to go far, fine, may as well throw in a V8. These conversions all appear clever, save a sixer and a V6, I've had them all. Truth is, there is no perfect solution, all are hit by compromises. If your wallet is a little thicker, or like me you got yours before prices went silly, my moniker would give you my choice because it's closer to perfect for my particular use. And lastly.... careful, none of these conversions are as cheap as they first look,. Go in eyes-open.

An area in which they excel. Mo

@WesBrooks along with apeing the Defender I also see old Landcruiser and Gwagen in the looks of the Grenadier , I definitely don’t see a purely Defender clone .

You know where bogmonster is, right ? Mo

Sometimes sensible has to take a back seat we're only on this ride once😁 regards Stephen

Clean, but I'm still not a fan of removing the air suspension. Rubbing with bigger tyres and failing air suspension can be solved with longer bump stops. You're just removing so much of what makes the P38 a great and versatile vehicle. Can't say I've every felt it was too wobbly on the road. Although I do most of my spirited driving in standard height, not highway. I do have to wonder why your air suspension kept failing so much. Even with a sometimes-out-of-range LF height sensor mine is pretty reliable, and if it does act up it's easy to reset as long as it's not a hard fault. In the end all that matters is that you're happy with the vehicle. But don't post up if you can't take questions/criticism.

Sorted, Put another Pump on from spare parts Disco , and works Fine now.

Will grenadier have any of these 14ish points?

This is the Ssangyong Musso of the Land Rover world.

About as long as a Defender's 😛

Yup - so where do I put my deposit? This just highlights how far Land Rover actually missed the mark.

Described as ‘Land Rover’s most capable and durable commercial vehicle ever,’ wonder what they mean by durable? Like tougher than a series? I bet that one in the photo doesn't live as long as my 2a even with the 50 year headstart 😃

I’ve read a lot of comments justifying the design of the new LR Defender against crash standards and safety regulations, and its construction against modern standards and what the market wants - effectively not admitting that they’ve renounced utility to build a luxury car .... and asserting that what they built was the ultimate modern 4x4 - I think we are about to see that that is all nonsense. This is looking every bit the modernised Defender to me so far; with intelligent supply chain and profit margins, substance over style and utility at its core - and all that that means, and all done whilst having the same beam axle and separate chassis design, plus boxy iconic exterior styling. What do they say? The King is Dead - long live the king !.

Looking forward to the reveal. On a serious note, I saw someone say about a Grenadier sub-forum here on LR4x4. I think it was meant jokingly, but I'd like to put a +1 to the idea. I think it would be good to welcome such a vehicle on a forum such as this.

I know the feeling I dreamed about them for years but the reality is its costly and time consuming even when you can do most of the work yourself, I was fortunate I was looking at a set (which I bought ) on ebay and my wife said why don't you buy them" WHAT DID YOU SAY"So from her perspective she was spending a lot of money yearly doing dog agility and said she would feel better if I spent an equivalent amount on something I wanted to do the rest is history So I wish you luck with your dream but you can hitch a ride with mine in the meantime regards Stephen

What's all this, jovial and sometimes friendly banter on LR4x4? Surely this isn't right and must be suppressed at all costs! 🤣😷🤡

No! You're NOT worth it! ( Was that okay?)

We all have bad days, and years. Stress/ life/ Britpart gets to us in different ways. I know I can be quite strong on opinions at times, other times I couldn't care. Red is worth listening to, and, as we all know, tonne of voice doesn't translate on keyboards. So, let's shrug, disagree, and move on.

Clearly you aren't listening to the mood, the information, or rational points of view expressed in this thread. Please, don't let the door smack you on the arse as you leave it.

Aye the melting thing is quite handy (methinks you have prior experience )in a sick way don't worry about the cleaning my good lady is a nurse and believe me she will not feel the pain regards Stephen

Finally cable relief:

If she's moving from Sweden to Belgium and she likes cars she's a keeper. Mike

Personally, I wouldn't complain if touchscreens got banned from all new cars, I mean, if you can't operate a mobile phone while driving, how are you supposed to use the incomprehensible touchscreens most of them seem to have nowadays?

Done for now. Only about a third of the roof done but the rest can wait for some cooler weather!

A larger tyre can obscure vision a tad...

Don't care about the cost much. And I'm not tracking it, much to swmbos annoyance and confusion. Meh. I don't get a new motor every two years, I don't smoke, I drink sparingly, I don't gamble, nor do I play golf. I enjoy fixing stuff, making stuff, figuring out better ways to achieve the objective. At the end of the day I'll have a great Landrover, that will be worth the sum of the parts, plus, and I'll drive it till they pry it from my dead hands. And it will still cost less than three years depreciation on a new 0.8l Ford Mondex tdpi executive ghia.

So its pretty clear... land rover have designed and produced a Discovery 4a.......