skirky dave

To be honest it's not just a land rover thing is it. To me, there's some strange psychological thing going on. You only have to look at the price of MK 1 Ford escorts, Cortina's, including the Cortina Savage, Humber Hawkes, Austin Westminster's, Wolsley, but to name a few. Classic cars with classic lines, lights, side indicators and fins, and who could forget the smell on opening the doors, of the leather seats. Today, they all pretty much look the same to me. Each car was different visually,... by a country mile, but you knew which one it was. Each car held it's place in history. All now, sadly gone and only to behold at a classic village car event. These vehicles all lovingly restored so that we who choose to remember them at a time when our parents took us to the coast on holiday when we were small sharing sweets of the day. Usually Opal Fruits . What do we have today HARRIBO'S to name but one. On a side note,..there are some young members of the car community that love the older styles and will chat with us for ages about them. Some people have hundred's of thousands of pounds to spend on a rebuilt series 1 only to leave it covered in a private museum along with their Lamborghini Miura;s Ford GT40'S, Ferraris, or Iso Griffo's.. Just because they can. The high price for a rotten land rover is only superseded by one's love and desire to bring back a classic vehicle to a working piece of excellance. Each to there own i suppose. Is it madness i don't know. Or is it just the love of rebuilding and driving a classic.Land Rover. Only the individual can say.

LES..NICK,,BOWIE69, IT LIVES !!!!!!!!!!!. YEA. Tried turning her over on First turn of the key for 10 seconds, NOTHING/, Second turn again 10 seconds and nothing BUT trying./ THIRD time and after 3-4 seconds and.... WALLA. Only ran her for 30 seconds or so. A little black smoke to start off with, but cleared after a few seconds. We went back an hour later and tried her again and NO problem at all. The Crankshaft bolt wasn't torqued up to the max, just enough to keep it all together until the New bolt and dog gog comes this week., Slight adjustment ( fine tuning) required on Diesel pump but that's to be expected i suppose, but there is plenty of adjustment in either directions..so that seems positive. She sounds really good, not rough at all, but after i've finished fine tuning the pump, the motor should sound really sweet......( for a diesel anyway). Just waiting for the final parts and that's it. Just as the great british weather turns, typical. On a personnel note,.....just wanted to say A HUGE THANK YOU LES/NICK for everything. Your advice/experience worked like a charm. I feel like i've really achieved a major goal with this. To say it was very early August when the problems hit !!. It was a daunting project to say the least and there WILL be more photo's / images to come with a write up, Hope it will help others in the future. So...Cheers guys i REALLY DO, appreciate all your help. Dave.

I thought it might be a bit tight removing the timing case and dealing with the timing belt again with the radiator in the way. I'm only going to start it up Nick, just to see if she runs. 2 mins tops. If she does..great, but i have no intention of driving it anywhere until it's sorted. It shouldn't take long, My mates coming round with 2 fully charged 800+ cca batteries to turn her over. Just in case one dies cranking her. We shall see in a bit. Fingers crossed. Dave.

Eh up Nick, Mmm, i suppose i could temporarily fit the radiator with just water, for the time being and see how things go. I was in a bit of a quandary as to starting her up, given the advice by yourself and Les. The thermal shock thing got me thinking although Les has done this before without any problems. When it's your first time doing something like this you have to listen to people with the experience of doing such jobs. Once again.......it's raining!!! Typical. I'll let you know how i get on.......in a bit. Cheers Nick. Dave.

Hi guys, Sorry but i've been waiting on parts arriving to complete the job, ie Capstan Winch Dog and correct Crankshaft bolt. Had these parts bought for me for my b'day later this month which was very nice. They should be with me this week and then i can get cracked on. This seems to have taken forever and tests the patience somewhat. I didn't want to put everything back together,..using the old Crankshaft bolt only to take everything back off again to replace the new bolt and start torquing everything up again. There's so much more space with things off. Can not wait to start her up again !!! BUT...i have been busy doing other jobs New water pump and new fixed fan, new hoses, Radiator reversed flushed, checked and ready. Electrics re crimped and all joints soldered and greased for winter. Chomping at the bit now, Dave.

Have to agree with Les, a tow start is possibly your best option. If you have to, pull the motor to the end of the estate and then try bumping it. Then when it snows and your nimby's need a PULL/RESCUE. .........MOAN!!!. Works both ways.

Pete, Yes I agree mate. Only thing is, it's a mobile number. I have sent them an Email regarding the issue, so.......Will have to wait and see. You see, what got me thinking was... The image for the bolt and the 3 BEARING Crank,, ALSO looks short, which for the series 3bearing Crankshaft, It is !!. Apart from the thread. So ,..my train of thought is, both bolts, Imperial/metric are in fact......the same short length. I could be in business if this pans out ok. Fingers crossed. What do you think. Dave.

Pete, Morning,... I was thinking about this problem for hours last night and I think I might have found an answer. At least I'm HOPING I've found the answer. Ok,..the Crankshaft bolt fitted to mine AND the 19J TD IS ETC7934 . ( Far too big) for the winch,.. HOWEVER, if you look closer at the part supplied by HNJ ENGINEERING , the part number is in fact ,..Fairey part number 6267-A4, Now I don't know if it's me, but...I'm thinking that, the Fairey bolt looks SHORTER in the HNJ image. IF IT IS,. Problem solved. If not, then it's finding someone to make the bolt. The main problem is, I CANNOT find any information regarding the dimensions of the bolt, regarding the overall length, M20-1.5 Thread. Dave.

Ok, really getting there now. Taken my time and it's almost done....Except for one annoying problem,.....I thought to myself whilst I've got access to everything,( because all the front is off ) I shall have a look at fitting the Capstan MAP Winch, I was given a few years ago. Because torqueing up the Crankshaft bolt will be easier while I can get to everything. Now here's the problem...it would appear that Land Rover decided to make/fit TWO different Crankshaft bolts (1) Part number ETC7934 Short Stubby and Large Head size 41mm,....(2) ERR 605 Much Longer Bolt, 30MM BOLT HEAD, which is used in conjunction with the Metric Capstan Dog Drive. Both have the same thread!!. The one's fitted to both the Sherpa and the 19J TD are the Short stubby type with the massive head. Now, I've tried the longer ERR 605 BUT,, this will not fasten all the way in to the end of the shaft, it's approximately 25mm too long!!!. It's as though the end of the Crankshaft is cone shaped or maybe just a dead end. So,,,I contacted a company called, HNJ ENGINEERING based in Bristol as they make the Capstan Dogs and Bolts for both Imperial 3 bearing engines and Metric sized Bolts and Dogs for the 5 Bearing engines such as mine. It would appear I need a shortened version by 25mm of the Longer ERR605 BUT threaded all the way to the head of the bolt. Why, in all that's holy did they mess about with 2 different Crankshaft pulley bolts, I shall never know. And,..these bits are not cheap!!. Once I've got these ...it's job done. Dave.

Oh, by the way...I looked into the price of that engine mount to fit the engine as opposed to making my own. MY god it's expensive £120 and upwards. That is new, of course and scrapyards are a little reluctant to pull out the engine just for the legs. Even Paddocks (matlock) are expensive. Anyway..the home made one's fitted now, pictures/images to follow in a few days so...stay tuned. With a write up as to the how's / why's and associated problems faced with the job.

Oh GOOD idea. Nick, I use a piece of flat rubber on the driveway for crawling under the motor to stop small stone's sticking into my knees (painful) and shoulders, etc, but never thought about sticking some tarp in the back. That's one to remember. Cheers.

Cheers Bowie, MMM on the surface of it, the kit you suggest, as I thought myself...seems a good idea. BUT.. as Nick has just pointed out, any leak of oil or diesel fuel could be disastrous and I don't feel like doing this job again anytime soon!!!!!..... SO..me thinks,.. I shall just leave the plug out, and screwed into it's stand off position until the time arrives / determines when it needs to be replaced. Lets hope I'm not dressed up taking Sue out for a meal at the time. Don't think she would like doing that job !! PEAKLANDER.. Thanks for the interest mate, and the heads up regarding the batteries. I'm still looking and now there's another one to mull over. Dave.

Ahhh, I see. Cheers Nick,..I wonder how many fit / refit them when the ground is wet through. In other words, when their not dressed for crawling under the motor!!. Memories of Sheffield a few years ago, when the River Don burst it's banks and Meadowhall shopping centre was 4-5 feet deep inside. It's a good idea but I think it might have been improved, maybe a remote breather as fitted to the axles and suspended higher up would have been an improvement. Just a thought.

At long last, I've been trying to sign in to this forum on chrome, for 2 days.....nothing, Internet Explorer,,yeh. So, my mate came round the other night and we tried the defunct battery on his motor, which I knew would be a waste of time with 10.3v but.....Anyway NOTHING, Pathetic. Must get one of those Ctek chargers...Xmas soon. Still waiting for my pulley to arrive, and should be here tomorrow..postal service willing that is. or should I say..if the postman can read and actually deliver it. to ME!. Anyway, one question I did want to ask,.,..the small 4 bolt cover with a larger nut, that fits under the timing chest casing, ( should have taken a photo) What exactly is this for. Is it a drain plug for excess oil, or to stop water getting in. Sorry if it sounds a stupid question. Dave.

Nick, I shall also check for the so called "invisible leaks" and tighten down every banjo fitting, bolt,nut etc etc. Cheers.

Bowie69, Yes mate, we had it charging for 2 days solid and again last night until later this morning and ZIP, now 10.3v. I'm only guessing here but i'm kinda thinking the internal plates may be damaged, there again i have no idea as to the construction of these. My mates CTEK charger should have re/vitalised the battery, sulphated the cells/plates, and brought it back to life, but ..no. I've just been looking on the Ctek web page and they say " If the battery is too heavily sulphated the charger will show up a RED error light" which means the battery's had it. This is what happened. So,,,,,another battery it is.

Cheers Nick. I shall have to wait and see what happens with the new'er pulley wheel arrives. If it's a no go,..then it looks like the drill might be coming out to play,,,again!!.

Pete,just noticed this one also, same company bit bigger, just a few more pennies but with 5year warranty ADVANCED 110L XD+ TYPE CAR BATTERY In stock FREE Next working day delivery (order before 4pm) All prices include VAT & delivery 800cca 85amp £85.00 This looks mighty tempting. The 5 year warranty could be the deal breaker. 5 YEARS WARRANTY

Bowie 69, No, according to the battery, Black means needs re/charging,,and it's certainly Black. It's not holding charge at all and not a chance of starting the Landy with 10.3v as it currently stands. But..my mate is calling round later so we'll give it a go on his 2.5n/a diesel, but to be honest i think there's more chance of platting fog!. PETE, Cheers for that mate, while i've been looking around the web, i came across CAR BATTERIES ON LINE, ABS Heavy duty 110L CAR BATTERY CCA 720 80AMP £70 INC VAT + INC DELIVERY +4 YEAR WARRANTY. Seems a good price. What you think mate?

I should also mention, that on the top of my current RAC defunct battery, there's a so called spy hole which used to give off a bright green light affair. The battery states on the top that, Green=fully charged, Black =needs charging, White=Test..whatever that means!. Battery's current status = Black.

Wouldn't you know it,..Tayna website is down at the moment!!! However the intended battery i believe, is a 069 somewhere between 540-570 cca £109 -£120 The one i was using was RAC 800CCA, NOW defunct. What do you guys use/prefer.

Should also add, i tried charging it again last night, in the hope things might come right, BUT nope!!

MMM 10.3v definately had it mate.

Yes, i put it on my mates Ctek mxs 5 charger and after it got to stage 5, the red error warning light came on. We then put it onto my charger which is rubbish compered to his, and again the charger faulted . I placed my volt meter across the terminals and the battery stated 12.1v. Then after only a few seconds it started dropping 11.9 -11.8 etc etc to 10.9 which is then, that we knew, a serious problem was with the battery. In fact, just give me a second, i'll check it now!!.

Nick, Seems there's different methods for achieving the same results, i can only go on what the Haynes manual states for certain procedures. Some are obviously easier than others. WHY doesn't the manual state these. It would make life a lot easier. The manual seems to do things from A-Z in order to get things done, which is a long winded approach when in fact other options are faster with the same end result. But there again, i suppose experience only comes from trying different methods. Of which mine is pretty much zilch, BUT LEARNING MATE. I was talking to a bloke the other day regarding the water pump/pulley problem, and he said "mm you could open the holes up but what you don't want is the fan slightly off kilter or you may cause damage to the water pump bearing, there supposed to run true" .......Just how much truth there is behind that,...i don't know, But the series 3 water pump pulley only cost me a few quid, Nothing really. Dave.