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    Did you know you need a licence

    in Competing in Land Rovers

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    I find it particularly odd (even to the point of being annoying) that this Licence requirement applies to drivers only. This seems to point to a misconception and/or poor understanding of the role of the navigator/co-driver in Challenge events. Winching and directing the driver through off-road sections are skills that require at least a basic understanding of off-road driving and vehicle performance. The driver/navigator act as a team and therefore should be considered 'equal' to the driver in competition terms. The most successful teams are those where the skills of the driver and the skills of the navi are well matched.

    And besides, some events the navi may even be required to drive certain sections or tasks.... so how would that work?

    So if we are to go the way of Licences for Challenge events then this should surely apply to the whole 'team' in a vehicle, not just the driver. This should really have been considered by the relevant MSA committee/s.

    Pam

    If the co driver is to drive as well at an event then they too need the same licence.

    Simon

    Did you know you need a licence

    in Competing in Land Rovers

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    It depends on the level of event, the license you need has to match or exceed the status/level of the event. All competitors need a suitable license so in a challenge event the navigator (as a competitor) will also need a license (although this may be a club card).

    The most basic competition license is an MSA club membership card and is valid for "Clubsport" and "Clubman" level events. For National B and above events you need an upgraded license that you buy from the MSA.

    Some event types can only be run at National B or above so require a license. This is the case for point to point (XTC), comp. safari etc... Challenge events can be run at Clubman or National B level, primarily/normally determined by the number of invited clubs taking part. If you choose "Challenge Event - National B" instead of "Challenge Event - Clubmans" when applying for the permit then you will require a National B status license for both driver and navigator.

    I have seen nothing in the 2010 Blue Book that would require any competition license with a higher status than a Club Membership Card. There is an "oversight" that would suggest you don't even need a membership card but that's covered elsewhere in the competitors regs.

    Perhaps you could be more specific in the reasons you think competitors need a National B competition license ? The only thing I can find is (P)24.2 but that doesn't require a National B license it simply doesn't require you to produce a club card and then 24.2.1 further clarifies that for National B and events not including challenges you need a National B license. It may be that there's another reg that I've missed ?

    This is the man that says so Mr Ian Davis of the MSA Cross Country Executive

    Did you know you need a licence

    in Competing in Land Rovers

    Posted

    It has bean brought to our attention that ALL challenge competitors (Drivers) in the UK now need an MSA Competition Licence for the 2010 Season. We have checked this with the MSA & it is their F**K up :angry: :angry: as it was omitted from the blue book. All licence numbers need to be added to the MSA return after each event.

    The cost is £23 for the year.

    Simon

    LRS Challenge Dates 2010

    in Competing in Land Rovers

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    Dan

    In answer to the question of size & markings having spoken with the powers that be, they are going to use a 36" gauge any tyre that fits is ok no matter what the marked size is. Hope this explains the way the reg will be implemented. Be great to see you at these events, places going quickly & limited to 30. :rolleyes:

    Simon

    LRS Challenge Dates 2010

    in Competing in Land Rovers

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    Hi all

    For any one that has not looked at the web site this is now 50% booked already. There seems to be a good cross section of abilities from class 1 to class 3 , so hopefully the newer less experienced drivers will pick up a thing or too from the old hands. Still 11 weeks to go and it looks like this could be a great season for the sport with this level of support. :D:D:D:D

    LRS Challenge Dates 2010

    in Competing in Land Rovers

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    Here are the dates & venues for the 2010 LRS Challenge Series

    Sunday March 21st 2010 Duck End, Kettering, Northants. NN14 4AD

    Sunday April 11th 2010 Harbury, Warwickshire

    Sunday May 30th 2010 Yarwell, Lincs. PE8 6PN

    Sunday June 20th Coney Green, Stourport on Severn, Worcestshire. DY13 0TE

    Sunday September 19th 2010 Upper Loads, Holymoorside, Chesterfield, Derbys. S42 7BS

    Sunday October 17th 2010 Woodhouse Farm, Brosley, Telford, Shrops TF12 5AE

    The classes have changed slightly as follows

    8. CLASSES

    The Event will consist of three classes as follows:-

    Class 1. Limited Modifications.

    Vehicles do not need to be taxed for road use and may be equipped with one front winch which must have a minimum rating of twice the vehicle weight. Traction aids (locking/limited-slip/torque-bias etc) may only be used if original factory fitted equipment. Vehicles with soft structured roofs must have roll over protection with a minimum of a roll over hoop (MSA spec).

    Class 2. Modified.

    Vehicles do not need to be taxed for road use and may be equipped with one of the following: Two winches, specification as class one, (or one that is movable and is capable of multiple direction pulls), or one front fixed winch and one traction aid.

    Class 3. Unlimited Modifications.

    Vehicles do not need to be taxed for road use and may be equipped with any combination of winch, specification as class one, AND diff locks. Hydraulic steering is allowed but if fitted, vehicle must carry suitable spares and an emergency spill kit.

    A new web site will be up & running in the next week or two at lrschallenge.co.uk

    Hope to se you there

    Simon

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