Cheers for the replies guys, yeah personally I'd have the 2.4 if could find one, I've got me td5 disco which will have the nuts tuned off it once I've done the clutch (and got the cash) but we are thinkin workhorse jump in go down the field come back chuck trailer on, bit of expense but we need reliability, the d3 lacks the latter and the d4 is still out of price range, And I spose they hold their money too