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Not yet. It still locks. I never got round to looking at the Gvalve, but its on my 'to-do' list. Although, according to the handbook (at least my interpretation of the book, please correct me if im wrong here), the G valve is a pretty simple thing, it uses the force from the decreasing momentum of a braking vehicle to move a ball bearing 'up a slope' to limit the amount of fluid going to the rear brakes.... If it requires the vehicle to be moving, can it be tested on a machine??? But yeah, as i say, G valve is on my to do, probably when the weather gets a touch warmer

Thanks, ill try and get some quotes tomorrow for the above. Adrian Flux came back with a 350 quid quote with mods etc which is 100 more than last year, but with the recent increases in prices etc i guess its not too bad. That was with equity red star or something.

My renewal from lancaster has doubled since last year Put in a requote with the various modifications, hopefully it will stay under 500. I was well chuffed with the 250 i paid last year too.... Just had a look at Footman James, fell at the first hurdle: car must be garaged at night. Anyone got any other insurance brokers etc to try a quote from for a generally modified defender (wheel, suspension, interior etc).

Master was corroded/pitted, hence brake failure. New cylinder on order and will hopefully be fitted on saturday. If rears still lock, ill have a look at the G Valve. Prefereably aim to refurb it if possible as replacements (unsure of part number so might be wrong) are damn expensive!

Brakes failed today.... Fun Fun Fun! Believe it to be the master cylinder, but thats for another thread i guess.... ( no pressure on pedal, goes to the floor) Update on the drum locking shenanigans: Well when braking heavily the rears still lock. And it went from both locking back to just being the one again (drivers side). Next port of call i think is this G Valve. Didnt think i had one, but when the brakes failed today a more detailed look at the front end of the braking system (this time with the workshop manual in hand!) i discovered that yes i do actually have a G-valve. Its the valve with a ball in it that 'rolls up the hill' to decrease the power going to the back under fierce braking. So, can these G Valves be taken apart and cleaned etc to get them working again, or is it a case of having to buy a new one.... Anyone have the part number to hand?? Or are they fairly reliable so am I barking up the wrong tree.... Oh... then again, I guess if the master has been failing and not providing enough power to the fronts then all the force could be going to the back.... Thoughts?

Awesome, thanks for the responses When you say play... I can yank on the steering damper and force the joint forwards so it sits correctly. I assume being able to move it around like that is ok? Do you mean play in the sense of small movement between the joints like when a wheel/prop bearing goes etc??

Morning, After a part check: The bush / rubber gaiter thing in the middle of the picture has perished and will need replacing before MOT time... I havent had much luck in figuring what part it is... Does anyone have a part number or name of the top of their head? Vehicle Details: 1985 Military 90 with 2" lift and big wheels. As can be seen from the pic, the geometry seems to be a little wonky. This part was replaced by the previous owner a year ago so something must be wrong for it to go in such a short amount of time. Im guessing it could be due to the suspension lift or bigger wheels. The damper always seems to force that joint backwards, or the arm holding the bush is at the wrong angle... anyone had this problem before or know of a fix / better part Thanks

Refurbed the brakes today. Removed old shoes and springs, general clean and tidy up. Checked that the pistons were moving freely. Fitted new mintex shoes and replacement springs. Disassembled the leaking hub and rebuilt using a new outer seal and replaced the gasket which had all but disintegrated. Hub cap was new so checked for defects and reused. Before After These were the springs from the side that was not locking up. No pressure was being applied by the bottom spring, so likely the brake was not braking efficiently: So anyway; under heavy braking, as in emergency stop style, both rears will lock!! At least they are consistent now, haha. Checked the fronts to make sure they are ok, discs are practically new. loads of life on pads. no sign of sticking calipers. So fairly confident the fronts are working as they should. With both rears locking and the fronts working (but not locking) im confused about what could be causing the problem. Perhaps its the tyres? They are MT style so not the greatest on road grip, with the weight being thrown forwards are the rears being unloaded sufficiently to cause the skidding...? Or am i missing a G(?) valve or something in the system that splits the breaking forces? Ill let them bed in over the week and re adjust. Suggestions and ideas welcomed though

carp, one of the hubs is pissing out oil now. Any my heater has decided not to work... Just when I thought it was beginning to behave itself

Hmm... Does an axle swap require adjusting anything else in the braking system?? as in bias front to back or the vacuum thingy up front?? If the axle comes with the brakes attached for that much, then yeah it wouldnt be much more than just renewing drums!

Thanks for the replies. Ill probably replace the shoes and springs, maybe the drums and either reseal the pistons or buy new cylinders. Parts seem cheap enough so no harm in refreshing the brakes, considering how important they are! Measured the drum, they are 10". I'll check the fronts out too, make sure all the pistons are working. Again, might just clean, reseal and replace pads considering the fairly low cost of parts...

Yeah, that was the image that was confusing me. all the photos suggested mine are fine, but that image is a little hard to figure out! Other side was much the same. the bottom spring is stretched and much looser, so that will need replacing. Less wear on the shoes though. cleaned and reassembled everything, adjusted the brakes with the same amount of adjustment and the wheel still locks up. hmph... the cylinders looked a little different, so perhaps a touch more adjusting will slacken off the locking wheel? Had a quick look on paddocks and couldnt see replacment springs, are these freely available or part of a kit or something?? Wondering if the fronts are lacking in some regard... Ill have to check.

After looking at the evidence, i dont think a spring is required at the top. the ones that have the springs are the 110s. Not sure about that bottom retaining plate though. it holds the rear shoe in place, without it the shoe would come out. the manual clearly shows it but unfortunately it doesnt say which side the image is! haha Going to have a look at the other side, as its been suggested that the opposite side to the problem can lock.

Military 90. 1986. As far as I know, its the original rear axel and brakes etc. The problem I have is that the Drivers side Rear wheel locks under braking. Under hard braking the passenger side will actually drag the drivers side round as the rear drivers looses traction. It will skid under moderate braking. Following the various guides, workshop manual and info in this thread: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=60307&st=20&gopid=592479entry592479 I have taken the hub off to look for problems. Everything looks ok. No oil, shoes look fine, no odd wear patterns, hub is clean, cylinder is moving etc etc. The only thing that seems to be different is that the retaining ring at the bottom is on the rear shoe rather than the front and im a little confused as to my spring locations. Does this look right? Front view of rear brake: Front top sping, attached to the adjuster on the back of the hub: Front bottom spring and retaining ring: Rear view of the rear brake: Rear view of the top spring. Is this the problem? The spring isn’t attached to the rear shoe at the top, its attached to the back of the hub. Shouldn’t the shoes be attached by springs top and bottom to pull them together?? Rear view of the bottom spring: Help! I need to check the other side, but with a limit on jacks etc I can only do one side at a time so want to make sure this side is ok before reassembling!

Yeah i hear you can fit metro wheels too. Although i believe they are 48 splines... so i may be out of luck on that one