Davo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 One of the funniest things about it is that when the Land-Rover first came out, its success was something of a problem for the old hands at Rover who assumed they would return to making fine cars for bank managers as they had before the war. That stop-gap noisy tin box would have been an embarrassment for them, and yet it saved the company - because they weren't otherwise capable of adapting to the post-war market. And yet, though it took a few decades, here they are again, without a foundation product and completely unready for the world's next catastrophe. The ineptitude is incredible, but the pig-headed stubbornness is pretty special, an unchanging feature of Britain's ruling class that must go back to when they could still see the glaciers retreating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 17/01/2018 at 12:00 PM, Maverik said: Got to say I kinda like the look of that in red... and something interesting, that's not a standard defender steering box... and it looks like its on the outside of the chassis rail... still put those carp door hinges on it mind! It's a P38 (and DII?) Bosch box. I put one in my 109 a few years ago, a good deal better than the Adwest type from other Defenders and in my RRC. Funny how the private owners did all the best mods before it occurred to LR - look at all the big engines that folk have fitted, the auto transmissions and uprated axle components. Pound to a penny the axle parts come from Ashcroft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 47 minutes ago, Snagger said: It's a P38 (and DII?) Bosch box. I put one in my 109 a few years ago, a good deal better than the Adwest type from other Defenders and in my RRC. Funny how the private owners did all the best mods before it occurred to LR - look at all the big engines that folk have fitted, the auto transmissions and uprated axle components. Pound to a penny the axle parts come from Ashcroft... hahaha - yup I've been having some similar thoughts, that will be a nice wee money earner for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil110 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 9:26 PM, Daan said: Well, who would have thought it; a defender worth 6 figures. Keep hold of yours chaps, it could fund your retirement! That steering box is from a P38 by the looks of it. I need to have a look at how they mounted it, as that is exactly what I am planning to do, I have one sitting in the garage already. Oh, this is good: top speed is capped at 106mph. My Polo Bluemotion betters that by a considerable amount (1.2 litre 3 pot diesel), so it really is all about the image, isn't it? Daan Having pushed an injected V8 110 up to an indicated 105MPH I never want to do it again. It was seriously scary, didn't know which side of the road it was going to fall off. I hope they have done lots of work on the suspension. In the meantime, here is the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Looks like Bowler did the whole drivetrain, suspension and brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmayco68 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It's obviously possible but how easy would it be to fit one of the p38 steering boxes to a defender ? From the photo's it looks to have been mounted in the same holes but on the outside of the chassis , I did find this pic . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil110 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Pity they didn't do something more like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 8 hours ago, neil110 said: Having pushed an injected V8 110 up to an indicated 105MPH I never want to do it again. It was seriously scary, didn't know which side of the road it was going to fall off. I hope they have done lots of work on the suspension. In the meantime, here is the video. Well, that's what's so funny about it - as people have found over the decades, with that much power you have basically have to turn your Defender into a stiffly-sprung car with a scary centre of gravity. So it's pointless in many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 It's looking rapid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Sheesh, yeah just a bit. Doesn't sound as nice as an RV8 though... Too snorty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Not being familiar with powerful vehicles, I must ask if it is normal for the body of the car to wobble around so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts90 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I watched the "Harry's Garage" video of it being briefly test driven in Geneva. Sounds lovely and it looks as though they've grafted a fair bit of suspension tech into the old girl. https://youtu.be/RX6bMkLSmFo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Seem s strange to me how everyone is slating it. Lots of people round me have paid 70k for a 2.2 heap, at least this has got the guts to go somewhere. Apart from the price which I only dislike because I can't afford one, and possible colour choices I think it's a right machine. By by the time you have bought the parts, built it and have some warranty kitty I can't see a lot of profit in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I'm sure they have made zero profit. But, they are hugely over priced versus the regular aftermarket. You could happily pay someone 30k to install a new Chevy V8 and gearbox with the same amount of power, new suspension, Bowler brakes and leather seats. 150k is a bit over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 ".. sure they have made zero profit .." Well, as JLR is in this world for making money I'm quite sure they got the sums right and are making a nice sum, thank you very much. Overpriced ? Well, the are being sold it seems so they got that right, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 This is a marketing exercise, so I doubt they were trying to make any money. It would be really hard for an OEM to built something like that for the selling price. It is good lead up to the new vehicle. You can be assured it will have that same engine for an option, but you will be able to get it for half the price. They will be able to tell you that it is such a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 01/04/2018 at 4:11 AM, Red90 said: I'm sure they have made zero profit. But, they are hugely over priced versus the regular aftermarket. You could happily pay someone 30k to install a new Chevy V8 and gearbox with the same amount of power, new suspension, Bowler brakes and leather seats. 150k is a bit over the top. Id much rather a LS3 than anything LR makes..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 29/03/2018 at 7:51 PM, Scotts90 said: I watched the "Harry's Garage" video of it being briefly test driven in Geneva. Sounds lovely and it looks as though they've grafted a fair bit of suspension tech into the old girl. https://youtu.be/RX6bMkLSmFo Yes - he says they have got the DSC working on it . I was surprised - as at first I thought it was just an engine swap and a tart up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Anderzander said: Yes - he says they have got the DSC working on it . I was surprised - as at first I thought it was just an engine swap and a tart up. Didn't the last couple of years of Defender have DSC anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 I think they've done a great job with it. LR aren't just going to have slapped an engine and gearbox in and some aftermarket suspension. It will all have been put together and finely tuned (as much as a defender would be). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_pete Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, landroversforever said: Didn't the last couple of years of Defender have DSC anyway? Yes but they have to redo it for the different brakes and engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 If you watch Harry's review, he goes into just how much work has gone into it, quite a lot by all accounts. I like the concept, but then no way am in the market for a £150K vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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