elbekko Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 P38’s rust too. The 96 one we stripped for the 4.6 V8 had heavily rusted outriggers, rear crossmember, and EAS tank. The main chassis was fine though. Another thing to remember on D2’s, as well as the rust, the majority don’t have diff lock, so you’ll most likely have to retrofit one. As already said both the 4.0 and 4.6 can suffer from the slipped liners, so both D2 & P38 are the same here. Most of the electrical gremlins on a p38 can be bypassed easily. A p38 on air is a better drive than a D2, but for off-roading, HD steering arms, suspension, bumpers etc. are readily available and cheap. have fun picking one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 There are a few HD bumper options. Have a look on eBay and some of the sellers. Prices aren’t dissimilar for the same type of bunper for a D1/2. Both front and rear available and I think some sill bars. Not sure the bumpers I’ve seen are winch ones. But could probably be adapted easily. There are a choice of rims. No need for lift kits with the air suspension. Although Arnott Gen III’s offer extended travel. Only thing I’ve not really seen are steering guards or snorkels. But they might be available too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Steering guard isn't really necessary as there's a beefy bit of chassis in front of the steering bars. There are snorkels, but they're all pig ugly. On the GEMS it's fairly easy to fit an RRC one through the bonnet, one the later Bosch it's a bit harder because the ECU is in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Chicken Drumstick said: Pre 1999 p38s have 2 wheel traction control (rear). However it’s unclesr if this was on all models when I’ve Googled. I’m sure someone knows but it’s certaibly suggested it was optional on lower end models or not available. Definitely not standard on lower end early P38s - the DT I had (i.e. lowest of the low) had no traction control at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 All these points being mentioned. My personal recommendation would still be the Jeep Cherokee. The 4.0 litre not the 2.5 or diesel. The 4.0 litre has a centre diff the others don’t. And can still run 2wd as well. I’d go for a facelift one (indicators at the front and grill look slightly different). I forget the exact year. They are galvanised from the factory. A 2” budget boost lift will be needed. Easy to fit and about £100. Then either some wider offset rims or spacers and 31.10.50R15 tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Right so I am looking for a post 2000 P38 then or a non rusty D2? (definitely staying LR or I'd be looking at a 'cruiser too!) Admittedly for green laning I can't see a lack of HDC being the end of the world but cheap bolt on bits may sway me more towards the D2 as time and space for fabrication is going to be non existent for the next little while. Decisions, decisions! Thanks for all the advice, keep it coming! Edited May 17, 2018 by bishbosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, bishbosh said: Admittedly for green laning I can't see a lack of HDC being the end of the world You won't miss it for laning, no. For some tougher off-road it might be nice, but I've never not been able to manually control my braking adequately. Or get the manual, then you have a proper ratio first gear and don't need it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just to add, the P38 only had a manual option for the 4.0 SE GEMS. So if you want a manual, you'll lose the 4 wheel TC. 2 wheel TC available, but not standard on SE (neither of mine have it, so I fitted Ashroft airlockers, powered from the EAS tank). I do agree the P38 is the better choice. The Disco2 feels larger/higher/heavier, and for offroad you'd have to find one with a difflock. The availability of offroad goodies is a plus though. But most things can be adapted or made for a P38 as well. Only thing I really miss are HD CVs and halfshafts, not something you'll need for greenlaning. Filip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 D2 chassis seem to have less structural integrity than an over-dipped HobNob, guy in our club had a rear 1/4 chassis done on his very tidy D2 yet people are beating much older D1's and RRC's around with no chassis issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 A downside against the Jeeps is parts can be horrendously expensive if you need to import them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 You need a bishtail. 😆 Mo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Seriously Bish, forget D2s, I have seen too many fall to bits structurally, they rot from the inside too so they look fine one minute and are shot full of holes the following morning with no warning. I do love P38s, both mine have been troublesome to the point of being annoying. They are brilliant but it'll let you down far too much. My advice? find a really smart D1 V8, you'll never lose a bean on it now unless you go daft and roll it. Will :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yostumpy Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) Santana PS10 cheap, roomy, familiar, good engine, won't depreciate, coz it wont cost a lot. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201706206599228 Edited June 1, 2018 by Yostumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Yostumpy said: Santana PS10 cheap, roomy, familiar, good engine, won't depreciate, coz it wont cost a lot. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201706206599228 Leaf springs too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 And a parts nightmare.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Defender V8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 16 hours ago, Daan said: Defender V8 Defenders are a rich man's game these days, and unless you can lock it away it's a massive target for thieves compared to an old P38 or Disco. Agree with the V8 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Always going to be a V8, so don't worry yourselves on that front. I have made the Tdi mistake once and wont be going back! The D1 V8 is a good call but the lure of shag pile carpets is drawing me back to the P38 Got a few leads I am following up but wont be doing anything until the middle of August after I have successfully navigated Western France in the FFRR without my wallet expiring! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 This one did very nicely at 7S a few years ago - front & rear lockers & winches, 4.6 + auto, subtle lift & arch-trim, all terribly civilised: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 This one did ok at the ALRC National. Capable drivetrain. But it’s big and bellies out quite a lot getting beached. It did take a bit of bumper damage though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 There's also the one that did Ladoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 15 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: This is where I hope I will end up, although with a lot less gubbins on the roof.! It's been a while since I fabbed bumpers so will have to break out the ceral packets again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, bishbosh said: This is where I hope I will end up, although with a lot less gubbins on the roof.! It's been a while since I fabbed bumpers so will have to break out the ceral packets again! A blast from the past, 15-16 years ago, but here’s some pics of excellent front bumper that Nick made for me... I have more more pics from all angles and of the bumper off the RR if you need them. The rear bumper was easily solved with a jigsaw, rear exhaust boxes replaced with straight through, and never had any issues after this mod, mostly as I only hit trees going forward. Just looked it up on MOT history and it’s still MOT’d and seemingly going strong, even after all that early abuse. cheers, Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 That's a lovely front bumper Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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