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Can't remove window winder (no central cap)


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I'm taking off the front door trim on my much changed 1991 110 hardtop - the doors were 'refurbished' in 2013.
All fine, except there appears no easy way to remove the window winder - Haynes and searches on here show a central cap that should be popped out and then the screw inside removed.
However both of my winders have no central cap - they are solid - so assume they are from a later/earlier model or something...
Any suggestions on how to get these off please - I'm scared to use brute force least I break something!
 

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There's usually a spring clip on the underside of the handle, like in this link -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Door-Window-Metal-Clip-Crank-Retainer-Roll-Up-Winder-Handle-Retaining-Clip-H5/273001177349?hash=item3f90236105:g:WwsAAOSwIFtaRZlM

You need a small hooked end device to get under the handle and hook the closed end then give it a pull.

I used a length of 2mm galv wire, flattened the end and bent it over to form the hook.

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