Naks Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Some exciting news for me - friend of mine has now done 3000km in his new Defender, and now wants to test if off-raod against my RRS. We are now debating which of these two trails we're going to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1NIDVuaT4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqOPRESN4Bk The first one has some very technical sections, and my RRS struggles a bit with the one obstacle requiring plenty of rock building, whereas the second one will be very slippery as it has been raining non-stop for the past week. That tricked out 90 with full ARB lockers will also be there, and possible another new Defender. decisions, decisions! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Nice decision to have Please get video and photos if possible. Although, seeing as the basic suspension setup and off road systems in the new Defender are very akin to the D3/RRS. I would expect it to perform very very similar. Do they have the optional rear locker at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicken Drumstick said: Nice decision to have Please get video and photos if possible. Although, seeing as the basic suspension setup and off road systems in the new Defender are very akin to the D3/RRS. I would expect it to perform very very similar. Do they have the optional rear locker at all? Yeah, he just wants help understanding how to drive with TR, he's been driving Pumas for the past 10 years or so. More likely that he will outdo my RRS, due to his higher ground clearance and more advanced TR. I did tell him to spec it with the rear e-diff, but not sure if he did. I'm definitely taking my GoPro with 😁 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Excellent! Will be good to see some slightly more first hand experience off-road with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110 V8 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Saw my first one yesterday. In Merivale, which is the Chelsea of this City..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) This appeared in one of the Facebook LR pages earlier, could it be the first to be damaged/, written off Yes I know the photo is the wrong way round, that's how it was posted. Edited August 14, 2020 by western Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Guess the bill.... £3k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 At least that but probably moreI would guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 I like the modifications, looks much better ! Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 I hit a badger in an XF I'd had for one week and did £4k of damage despite the vehicle outwardly looking fine except for the bonnet (the pedestrian protection system writes it off) so this is a more expensive vehicle with far worse damage. New bumper New bonnet New wing Entire new wheel station, possibly inc. suspension New alloy wheel New tyre New light cluster? Unknown damage underneath, damage to mounts and stuff Potential damage to crash structure Labour £1k just for blending in the whole front of the car (assuming it wouldn't be a total respray but depends on a lot of factors like who's doing it). I have no idea of parts cost for panels but £1k for the bonnet alone wouldn't be out of line with other JLR products. Sounds OTT but modern cars usually are more damaged than you expect for even slow speed accidents due to crash safety. I would have thought £6-7k absolute minimum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicken Drumstick Posted August 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2020 Drove my first new Defender yesterday. A D240 First Edition 110. Driven on and off road. Review will take a couple of days to compose, but will post it up when ready. Teaser shot for now 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post missingsid Posted August 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2020 Got to borrow one yesterday and it has changed my views, some up some down. First though you have to ignore the past history/uses of the original Defender, this isn't a replacement just a reuse of a name and brand. Externaly I love the back end it reminds me of the full width glass conversion on old Defenders. The front I am not so keen. Driving was interesting, very smooth even with hard suspension and shows up how poor my D3 is in need of new bushes. The brakes are VERY sharp and take some getting used to. The roads I drove included single lane rough tarmac forrest roads which due to the rain recently were thick with gravel washout and floods. I did notice some wheel slip when pulling away up slight hills. It was quite difficult to stick to spped limits as the engine (4 cyl Diesil) feels very slow pulling away but so smooth and actually quick that you don't realise it is 10 MPH above the correct speed already. Offroad features are as per the D3/4 so fully expect that to be good. Interior is where it really lets itself down in my opinion, the dash features the old Defender tray top dash which is too narrow to be of use and does not look well for this car. But it is the rear seats which are sooooo cheap (fronts aren't much better), the tilt mech is the same as my 2004 Clio!! Fold out the flimsy seat bases and releaase the seat back and tilt 'forward except you can't if the head rests are fitted (same as Clio). Once folded the seat back latch loops stick out into the load area. The use of an old Defender roof line works well as the overall car profile looks small (it's actually identical to a D3/4 in width, height and lenght) but it has huge headroom. Good points, loads of power points (front seats have fitting sockets and power sockets for rear tablets for the kids), loads of USB and 12v plus a mains 3 pin socket in the boot. Overall, great to drive but the interior (mainly rear seats) are a no no for me. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 10:51 AM, Chicken Drumstick said: Surely it would be void warranty. Not Type Approval. At least not in the U.K. There are guidelines on what you can do to a vehicle before it would need an Individual Vehicle Approval. And changing the brakes as an aftermarket modification, on their own wouldn’t cause this. You may be right - fortunately the law here is rather more flexible - though I'm surprised that messing with a safety system like brakes doesn't void type approvals, you are after all putting a smaller set of brakes on a faster car which if it met the standards would surely have been done in the first place if only to save money... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, BogMonster said: You may be right - fortunately the law here is rather more flexible - though I'm surprised that messing with a safety system like brakes doesn't void type approvals, you are after all putting a smaller set of brakes on a faster car which if it met the standards would surely have been done in the first place if only to save money... I guess in theory it is the same outcome as making a slower car with smaller brakes faster.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, missingsid said: First though you have to ignore the past history/uses of the original Defender, this isn't a replacement just a reuse of a name and brand. I don't think you should ignore this point at all. In fact, as most cars are bought with some degree of passion and interest. I think this is the most critical part and point to consider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 11 hours ago, ThreePointFive said: I hit a badger in an XF I'd had for one week and did £4k of damage despite the vehicle outwardly looking fine except for the bonnet (the pedestrian protection system writes it off) so this is a more expensive vehicle with far worse damage. New bumper New bonnet New wing Entire new wheel station, possibly inc. suspension New alloy wheel New tyre New light cluster? Unknown damage underneath, damage to mounts and stuff Potential damage to crash structure Labour £1k just for blending in the whole front of the car (assuming it wouldn't be a total respray but depends on a lot of factors like who's doing it). I have no idea of parts cost for panels but £1k for the bonnet alone wouldn't be out of line with other JLR products. Sounds OTT but modern cars usually are more damaged than you expect for even slow speed accidents due to crash safety. I would have thought £6-7k absolute minimum. That's assuming the aluminium monocoque isn't out of alignment, in which case it may not even be repairable (depending on where in the world you live). I wonder what messages the computer is flashing on that telly screen? I wonder what it hit? Hopefully something more solid than a paper bag to cause that (localised) damage! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Written Review is up, video review is still being compiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 12:37 PM, Chicken Drumstick said: I don't think you should ignore this point at all. In fact, as most cars are bought with some degree of passion and interest. I think this is the most critical part and point to consider. Sorry don't agree, to me this is a cheaper interim car to get trendies in to buying a Discovery 5/RR later. All manufacturers do this, move the well known model up in size/spec/price then add a new car where the old one was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 My friend, whose only experience of Land Rovers is being passenger on a couple of laning trips with me, just asked me about the new Defender. He’s big into 70’s music - so the analogy I used to try and explain it was : Quote This is a bit like Yes ‘reforming’ in the 80’s with non of the original members and being produced by stock aitken and Waterman is that about right do you think? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/14/2020 at 10:53 PM, Bowie69 said: Guess the bill.... £3k? And the rest! I think ThreePointFive is closer to the mark, maybe even still a bit low. My MINI was keyed the entire length of the passenger side - repaint of the whole side and the bonnet was quoted at £1900. When it was driven into at work, the total bill for just the rear bumper and painting it (everything underneath was fine) was £1400. From memory, that corner of the car has an oil cooler hidden away in there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, landroversforever said: And the rest! I think ThreePointFive is closer to the mark, maybe even still a bit low. My MINI was keyed the entire length of the passenger side - repaint of the whole side and the bonnet was quoted at £1900. When it was driven into at work, the total bill for just the rear bumper and painting it (everything underneath was fine) was £1400. From memory, that corner of the car has an oil cooler hidden away in there as well. ....and so we all come to the slow realisation that we have all been duped -if cars were made to be as practical and reliable as possible, they would cost a quarter of what they do, and the only reasons they cost as much as they do.... is the pose factor and the protectionist nature of the EU towards the motor industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Bowie69 said: ....and so we all come to the slow realisation that we have all been duped -if cars were made to be as practical and reliable as possible, they would cost a quarter of what they do, and the only reasons they cost as much as they do.... is the pose factor and the protectionist nature of the EU towards the motor industry. Plus the cost enforced by the sheer number of (often complex) components! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 8 hours ago, deep said: Plus the cost enforced by the sheer number of (often complex) components! Unnecessary (often complex) components.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 https://www.instagram.com/p/CEBxkR7DD0b/"... First edition Australian Spec New Defender Winch bar with Warn winch and Explorer pack..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 "... First edition Australian Spec New Defender Winch bar with Warn winch and Explorer pack..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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