Maverik Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 8 hours ago, landroversforever said: JLR may have a way of knowing exactly which one is which, but they’re all only labelled 1 of 150 Pah, 🤣 how disappointing, interesting point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Jeeez, what a PITA to change the battery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Naks said: Jeeez, what a PITA to change the battery! That may not actually be 100% correct. It does look like you could move the seat and cables enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paime Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 How do you jump start another vehicle with it? What do you do when you have a battery failure in the a*se end of nowhere and you can't move your electric seat back to swap your battery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 You don't do jump starts with modern vehicles, it's a great way to break electronics -I know this from personal experiences, as well as the fact that the RAC and AA will never jump vehicle to vehicle, but use a jump pack instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, paime said: How do you jump start another vehicle with it? What do you do when you have a battery failure in the a*se end of nowhere and you can't move your electric seat back to swap your battery? In the video he did point out the external jump start posts in engine bay in right front wing top, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klivins Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, paime said: How do you jump start another vehicle with it? What do you do when you have a battery failure in the a*se end of nowhere and you can't move your electric seat back to swap your battery? You do not need any vehicle with an electric seat, let alone a Defender! Esp, if you plan to go to a*se end of nowhere! But the battery location is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paime Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 8 hours ago, western said: In the video he did point out the external jump start posts in engine bay in right front wing top, Ah I missed that bit. Still a silly place for a battery imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 They are just copying me with that battery location.... its under the seat in the 110, but because I have RRC seats in there I have to remove them to do anything with the battery!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Is it possible to fit a second battery for other electrics ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 6:52 PM, landroversforever said: JLR may have a way of knowing exactly which one is which, but they’re all only labelled 1 of 150 That's very misleading. I suppose they will claim that it means "it's one of only 150 made" but that's obviously not how it is intended to be read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 3:43 AM, Naks said: Lucky8 have fitted 18" rims to a P400 *WITHOUT* any calliper modification What's so clever about that? There are factory 18" rims aren't there? I thought the steels were 18s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Quote What's so clever about that? There are factory 18" rims aren't there? I thought the steels were 18s. 18" Style 5093, Gloss White, Steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klivins Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 hours ago, BogMonster said: What's so clever about that? There are factory 18" rims aren't there? I thought the steels were 18s. says using factory landrover parts. Calipers from some other model? Esp when they say more info and pricing will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 15 hours ago, klivins said: You do not need any vehicle with an electric seat, let alone a Defender! Esp, if you plan to go to a*se end of nowhere! But the battery location is silly. I completely agree with your first comment but not really the second. Mounting the heavy battery low and close to the centre of gravity is sensible, not silly. Access, on the other hand, could be a different story - especially if your seat motors die (making a jump pack on the remote posts redundant!). Isn't it all a bit academic? Who in his/her right mind would choose one of these for an expedition to the back of beyond? Seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 18 hours ago, klivins said: You do not need any vehicle with an electric seat, let alone a Defender! Esp, if you plan to go to a*se end of nowhere! - I've got some L322 seats fitted to mind and don't have an issue with them. OK they're a bit heavier than standard but they are a damn sight more comfortable. I have come across a genuine use for them though - when I had my L322 my sister used to use it as well and when she's driven a car I physically can't get into it so have to faff around with the seat from outside just in order to get in. By using different keys the car set itself up for which ever key unlocked the car and voila no issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klivins Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Ed Poore said: - I've got some L322 seats fitted to mind and don't have an issue with them. OK they're a bit heavier than standard but they are a damn sight more comfortable. I have come across a genuine use for them though - when I had my L322 my sister used to use it as well and when she's driven a car I physically can't get into it so have to faff around with the seat from outside just in order to get in. By using different keys the car set itself up for which ever key unlocked the car and voila no issue. frankly, thats offtopic, but Ive found electric adjustable seats annoying, not useful. If I wanted to move, say, passenger seat forward - and fast - I had to wait a minute for it to do its job. Likewise its just a push on a lever to adjust the seat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paime Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I have electric seats in my RRS and i think they're great. Easy to get just the right driver's position without too much fannying around. I wouldn't have them in a working or expedition vehicle though - just another expensive thing to go wrong that i can't fix myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Local guy took his P400 off-road: drag race against a G350 Edited July 27, 2020 by Naks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ed Poore Posted July 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, klivins said: frankly, thats offtopic, but Ive found electric adjustable seats annoying, not useful. Why on earth is it off-topic? Pretty much all new Land Rover's have electric seats these days so very much on point, both @paime and I have stated in different scenarios that we find them useful. If someone built a seat as comfortable as the Range Rover ones that was mechanically adjustable I might be tempted to fit them but I'd hazard a guess it would be even bulkier because of all the linkages required to get the adjustment. Just a general point / rant now (i.e. not aimed at you): I really wish that people would get the fact that electronics are unreliable out of their head. Perhaps most consumer electronics are because everyone demands cheaper and cheaper goods doing more and more stuff which means compromising somewhere. But if you are willing not to compromise on cost then they are orders or magnitude more reliable than mechanical systems because there are no components that wear out. For example one system I used to work on / design has been installed into a dusty environment that's daily temperature cycle goes from sub-zero to well above 50°C. That system has been operational for 10 years running flat-out and never been touched, find me a complex mechanical system that has done that. That particular system certainly has more processing power and complexity in it than a high end vehicle. On @paime's point about not having electrical seats in a work or expedition vehicle I don't see why not. The only two vehicles I own (if you exclude the JCB) are the 110 and the 6x6 and I'd say that over 90% of what I use them for would constitute as "work" or "expedition" stuff. They've been soaked, covered in carp (literal), sand, mud, blood, snow, swamped in water and they've been faultless. In fact I've had more issues with the mechanical seats in the Sandringham because the mechanisms seized up. I think it's each to their own - my background is electronics and programming so nothing around that particularly fazes me. I'm proficient enough in everything mechanical related to Land Rovers but that's all self-taught. 14 hours ago, deep said: Isn't it all a bit academic? Who in his/her right mind would choose one of these for an expedition to the back of beyond? Seriously. Maybe I'm mad (no I definitely am) but if I had the spare cash to splash around and I'd run one for at least a year then I would 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeFreezer Posted July 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2020 What a load of old cobblers about batteries too - the Defender battery under the seat (in a sharp-edged metal box no less) is no better than this, and a lot of modern vans have the same setup. There's usually a dedicated jump-start tag in the engine bay, and it's complete balls that you can't jump-start modern cars "wiv electrics" - it's a 12v boost not a friggin' defibrilator 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 More to the point if a jump start kills something on a vehicle then that vehicle has not gone through it's CE marking / certification process because all automotive electronics have to be tested under far more rigorous setups. It can be truly painful trying to get things through the automotive qualification. Multiply that by a factor of several hundred if the equipment in question is a super sensitive radio receiver (trust me I've spent more hours than I care to count sat in a stiflingly hot test centre in Fareham waiting for several hours for a test to fail to spend 10 seconds changing another component or setting and then wait again to see if it fails again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/25/2020 at 10:59 PM, paime said: How do you jump start another vehicle with it? What do you do when you have a battery failure in the a*se end of nowhere and you can't move your electric seat back to swap your battery? I got chance to poke about under the bonnet of one at the weekend and I'm sure there's a massive busbar type affair on the left hand side as you look into the bonnet, could be wrong, but it looked like a terminal for connecting jumper cable to etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Yup, it is. Plus, how many classic defender owners have replaced their seats with a bolt in affair, requiring you to fiddle around for ages with a tiny spanner in an awkward place? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Can't edit the original post above but re-reading it should have emphasised that the sub-zero to >50°C temperature cycle was ambient not device temperatures, those regularly ran into triple digits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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