Snagger Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 If he thinks that it aesthetically resembles in any way the original Defender, then he hasn’t actually looked at it. And he fails to appreciate the distinction between capable off-roader and serious off-roader. Ironic, seeing as he said he’d not buy it essentially because it’s not a serious off-roader, just a toy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 well, this is certainly an improvement! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Definitely an off-road machine now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, Naks said: well, this is certainly an improvement! One way to settle the debate between live axles and independent suspension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Gazzar said: One way to settle the debate between live axles and independent suspension. Or leaves/Coils ..... and riding on air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, landroversforever said: Or leaves/Coils ..... and riding on air Don't be daft, leafsprings are superior, no debate necessary. Ten thousand years of product development is hard to beat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_grieve Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 New TFL video’s out. It’s getting almost 10,000 views per hour just now, that’s still a huge amount of interest in the new defender. has anyone got any sales data yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jamie_grieve said: New TFL video’s out. It’s getting almost 10,000 views per hour just now, that’s still a huge amount of interest in the new defender. I would suggest it is a lot of interest in watching it break down.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 It’s a shame they ended up with a blingier model due to dealer incompetence. But then again there aren’t many folk who would turn down a $16k freebie! No doubt there will be more drama for them and keep those views coming in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Retroanaconda said: It’s a shame they ended up with a blingier model due to dealer incompetence. But then again there aren’t many folk who would turn down a $16k freebie! No doubt there will be more drama for them and keep those views coming in. The problem is 20" wheels and no rear diff lock are counter to the entire purpose of what they had planned. They had wanted to maximize off road capability to show that you could get one that was good off road without being extremely expensive. They really missed the mark by accepting this one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, Red90 said: The problem is 20" wheels and no rear diff lock are counter to the entire purpose of what they had planned. They had wanted to maximize off road capability to show that you could get one that was good off road without being extremely expensive. They really missed the mark by accepting this one. If it breaks as quickly as the rest they wont have this one long anyway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, Red90 said: The problem is 20" wheels and no rear diff lock are counter to the entire purpose of what they had planned. They had wanted to maximize off road capability to show that you could get one that was good off road without being extremely expensive. They really missed the mark by accepting this one. Indeed, and because it’s a P400 model it won’t accept 18” wheels without modifying the rear brakes. Which they may be willing to do but many wouldn’t - myself included. Probably suits Land Rover, aside from the negative publicity over the engine issue, as they will want the higher spec. models out in the spotlight more than the lower ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 It will still be interesting to see how it goes. Land Rover are all-in on the electronics. That won't completely make up for the lack of a locking rear diff but it might still do quite well. Plus those mildly off-road focussed tyres might do okay in the sort of rocky terrain they use for their tests. It will be relevant to more people, if disappointing for anyone wanting to see the best possible configuration at work. Even better, they, inevitably, will be comparing it to other generally available four wheel drive vehicles, which will be entertaining. (I did see an Australian comparison with a Toyota Prado. Humiliating that they considered them competitors but, luckily, the outcome was in favour of the Defender.) I suppose we can assume the suspension panic warning was down to them playing around in it without driving it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) Do you think McGovern and pals took inspiration from the Simpsons as they developed this model to add to the rest of the range https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4c97a251-e222-44f9-b418-832799a6cb89 Edited December 6, 2020 by reb78 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 5:39 PM, Snagger said: I don’t know if this was already posted, but I thought this was a good analysis. God I find that pompous, flaccid little man so irritating to watch. His presentation style comes across as being so on the spot deep and considered but it's just plain annoying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 12/4/2020 at 4:01 PM, Retroanaconda said: Indeed, and because it’s a P400 model it won’t accept 18” wheels without modifying the rear brakes. Which they may be willing to do but many wouldn’t - myself included. Probably suits Land Rover, aside from the negative publicity over the engine issue, as they will want the higher spec. models out in the spotlight more than the lower ones. Ah, but they can sell it for more money next summer to fund their spec’d up Bronco on 35’s when that arrives 😉😉😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 5-star rating for the ND: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/land-rover/defender/41395 Edited December 10, 2020 by Naks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I always find it fascinating watching these videos of crash testing. Very interesting stuff.👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Naks said: 5-star rating for the ND: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/land-rover/defender/41395 That's REALLY impressive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 This, of course, is one area where there's absolutely no question that the new Defender is a vast improvement on the old one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, geoffbeaumont said: This, of course, is one area where there's absolutely no question that the new Defender is a vast improvement on the old one. Exactly. However you just know that someone somewhere will try and argue it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, landroversforever said: Exactly. However you just know that someone somewhere will try and argue it Time to take the stage Mo lol regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, landroversforever said: Exactly. However you just know that someone somewhere will try and argue it Pah! A proper Defender would have just driven over those barriers. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, reb78 said: Pah! A proper Defender would have just driven over those barriers. After fitment of 44"s and a 15" lift, and various axle upgrades, by which time you have spent close to what a new Pretender costs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I won't argue that one. Once I've burned it you won't be able to drive it into things. So it's a moot point. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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