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10 hours ago, Snagger said:

Evidently either too badly positioned or too awkward to use.  Either way, it suggests it’s a useless accessory.

It does look like it unlocks with a key, so the faff probably wasn't worth it?  It's a poor design:  Clearly awkward to use; it would block even more of your rearward visibility, on a car that is already challenged in that respect; and I bet you'd hate the wind noise/drag while revelling in the alleged 129 m.p.h. your 400 h.p. engine and 22" rims would allegedly allow on certain European roads!

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20 hours ago, Chicken Drumstick said:

Most estate or saloon cars should suffice then ;)

Sadly no, otherwise my towcar-of-choice would be a Lexus LS500h !

Instead, I've got a Toyota Landcruiser on order.  Sadly, Toyota don't offer the really-rather-fun hybrid petrol-V6-with-electric-assist Lexus powertrain on the Landcruiser. Which is sad - I'd rather have liked a truck that could do 0-60 in 5.1 seconds [without the trailer].

 

 

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On 11/15/2019 at 8:34 PM, Anderzander said:

Tyres look ok on it 

sidewall size looks ok

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Off road? Bmw 5 ,my old cortina or my  ,post office viva van ,  if thats as good as it gets I'll not bother 

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1 hour ago, Swilli said:

Off road? Bmw 5 ,my old cortina or my  ,post office viva van ,  if thats as good as it gets I'll not bother 

I'd rather have a Cortina - especially if its a Mk3...

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I wish these review companies would do real life tests just for once, I mean they call it an offroad review but I didn't see it mount a single kerb outside a school in that video. 

I'm waiting for the 'Baby Defender', at £25k it'll almost be affordable for me before it's out of warranty :hysterical:

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What a load of old tosh !

Off road my arse !

The German nation should hang it's head in shame for perpetuating Land Rovers greatest con trick.

Mind you, the Germans do have form, telling a lot of porkies in the '30s and the early '40s.

Mo 😉 

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5 hours ago, Mo Murphy said:

 

Off road my arse !

Maybe this is what they meant by off road Mo...

12-2019-Land-Rover-Defender-110-P400-AWD

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Indeed Steve, mind you that chap on YouTube got his Peugeot van more off road than that on a roundabout 😂

Mo

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1 hour ago, SteveG said:

Maybe this is what they meant by off road Mo...

12-2019-Land-Rover-Defender-110-P400-AWD

Two observations:

1) Fair bit of wheel travel finally revealed

2) My goodness it's ugly from that angle!  Not one of the alleged styling cues from the current Defender is visible.  It looks like something made in Russia in the fifties, without the class.  Luckily, looks don't really matter...

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I do wonder how many “favours” and brown envelopes are being doled out by LR media management - no one forgot the hammering the DC100 got from public and media alike, but two months after the reveal and this still looks just like a DC100 to me.  Maybe they’re just smitten by the exclusivity of the ridiculous price tag - some people are like that these days, paying stupendous amounts for vulgar tat that does it’s job far worse than cheap competition just because they think g it makes them look rich and successful.  That is the whole ethos of designer goods, and I think that smarmy narcissist Gerry put LR firmly in designer label territory.

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17 hours ago, deep said:

Not one of the alleged styling cues from the current Defender is visible.

I think you're being harsh there - from that angle the door/roof/screen line is very 110 CSW:

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Even the door handles look pretty familiar, and the A-pillars are incredibly skinny by modern standards.

As for journalists getting stuff wrong or doing their job badly - they do it in every field they report on, we only notice it when they get stuff wrong that we know about!

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38 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said:

 

As for journalists getting stuff wrong or doing their job badly - they do it in every field they report on, we only notice it when they get stuff wrong that we know about!

That is very much the case, but didn’t seem to be twenty or more years ago, at least not to the same extent.  Perhaps that is just an illusion as we get to know more and so see more of their inaccuracy as we get older.  But the agendas and biases never seemed to be so strong or overt.

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20 minutes ago, Snagger said:

That is very much the case, but didn’t seem to be twenty or more years ago, at least not to the same extent.  Perhaps that is just an illusion as we get to know more and so see more of their inaccuracy as we get older.  But the agendas and biases never seemed to be so strong or overt.

That's the conclusion I've come to over the last few years. Having said that though... It would seem that the magazines don't even proof read what they put in! The number of basic mistakes in LRO/LRM is astounding for a 'specialist' mag.

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I was thinking of the media as a whole.  News and documentary tv has never been so agenda driven or politically biased.  As John said, if you have a field of expertise, then you pick up a lot of the errors when they run stories in that field - I admit I get wound up by the utter drivel whenever they talk about aviation; they don’t appear to fact check anything at all or bother to speak to experts, of which there are many.  I imagine it is the same fo all you guys when they talk about engineering, medicine, technology, science or whatever fields you are in.

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3 hours ago, Snagger said:

I was thinking of the media as a whole.  News and documentary tv has never been so agenda driven or politically biased.  

Here in New Zealand, when one party is in power and does something newsworthy, the media rarely report that directly.  Instead, they nearly always run a story quoting the opposition's inevitable (and usually feeble) criticism.  When the other side is in power, it's normally the exact opposite.  Of course, there is no corruption here and, apparently, nobody in politics owns the media ...

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I think very few reporters are willing to give negative reviews as they rely on the manufacturers loaning them the vehicles to review. Put too many buyers off and dont get any more cars 

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8 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said:

I think you're being harsh there - from that angle the door/roof/screen line is very 110 CSW:

def_pic.jpg.e33f93ef63bc256d549f4dd020a2bfac.jpgdef_pic2.jpg.7f2299c9f7a143b42c3d7290a447069a.jpg

 

Even the door handles look pretty familiar, and the A-pillars are incredibly skinny by modern standards.

As for journalists getting stuff wrong or doing their job badly - they do it in every field they report on, we only notice it when they get stuff wrong that we know about!

Do the same with a D3 picture and I bet you wont tell the difference. 

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3 hours ago, Naks said:

Another one:

 

 

Was that an outing of dwarves? The fella in the driver seat needs a booster cushion! Maybe to make the bumps 'offroad' look bigger?!

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