simonpelly Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Hi Folks, In the process of changing the windscreen on my 1997 Defender 110 300 Tdi Have a suspicion that the old windscreen seals were leaking and there was a stone chip that failed to be mended satisfactorily by Auto*** Ordered original parts - windscreen seal (LR056278) and new windscreen (LR042760) However, upon fitting the new seal to the windscreen, it appears that the seal is too big. See images attached. Checked that the windscreen size is correct - matched perfectly with the old one. So before making accusations that the seal is not correct and sending back to distributor, please could folk cast opinions/advice in case doing something numpty. Thanks in advance, Simon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Is the seal inside out? When you say "original" parts, do you mean "genuine land rover"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 As above is the screen located in the right groove? Recently fitted a new screen in my own using a ( shock horror! ) Britpart seal and it fitted perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonpelly Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Thanks folks for the replies. Yep. Original as in "Genuine" parts. Had another look this morning and convinced that the seal is in the correct orientation and window is in correct slot. Also have a reference with the old windscreen too which helps. At this point, think the seal is headed back for a swap for one that hopefully fits. Simon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim2809 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 if you have the old screen out have you tried new seal in the frame pushing into all the corners and see if it has still got excess material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adv Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Before sending the seal back I would talk to the seller and ask if needs to be trimmed to size or should it be so long as to make it a tight fit to the vehicle and the screen. They may also be able to point you in the right direction if you or it is incorrect somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I looked at the screen seal on my 110 and it looks like it’s been trimmed to size and then the join (in the centre along the lower edge of the screen) has been sealed with some sort of black sealant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I didn't have to trim the front screen seal when my heated screen was fitted, I had a Allmakes seal IIRC & it fitted fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonpelly Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Hi Folks, So tried fitting the seal to the frame. As you can see it's way over sized even accounting for some slack in the corners. The old seal was a complete loop - albeit with a manufactured join. Have noticed that on most defenders, the manufactured join tends to be positioned at the bottom middle of the windscreen. I'll give them a distributors a call tomorrow. See if can learn something. Thinking that it would be really odd to have to cut the seal to size. Thanks for all the commentary. Will update this thread with the outcome. Simon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litch Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Have used several BP seals in the past with no problems and no cutting either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts90 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Genuine LR on mine with no trimming, I think you may be surprised by how much it will form onto the windscreen. From memory mine was quite loose around the screen. The outer edge has to overlap the screen frame by a good 10-15mm all the way around and in your pic it's not even close to being seated. Similar when you remove/replace door seals, you always think it's going to be too long but manipulating and gentle persuading usually means they fit fine, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 as above, just go around tapping the seal firmly to the frame to take out the slack. It can take a few rounds to get it to seat, but it should fit. Getting the glass in is another challenge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 How did you get on with this if you've done it yet? - I did a windscreen not long ago and the seal is flappy and big when you just put it on like that but when its properly engaged it sorts itself out - a tip for installing is to have the rubber in a bucket of hot water, evidently helps it a lot - I only got told this after I'd struggled for a few hours doing it a different way. Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonpelly Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hi Folks, Finally got round to giving it another go. This time, the seal seemed to fit better around the windscreen glass by leaving a little more of the excess at the four corners. Fitted a rope into the groove and lubed up with some silicon spray (the stuff used for fitting plastic drain pipes). With the help of my better half, we positioned the screen and started fitting. It was all pretty straight forward except for one corner which as a complete *itch. That said, once all pulled round and tapped in place, it's fitted really well. Not had time to test it for leaks yet. Thanks for all the tips. Some images attached. Simon... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Well done it took me three attempts to fit mine by myself, the first two I had the seal inside out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 By having to squeeze a seemingly excessively long seal into the frame, it means that the inboard lip and centreline at the corners will be under compression but the outer lip under little stress. Fit a shorter seal and the inner lip will be under no stress, but the outer lip will be stretched and soon split. We have all seen how prone they are to that, and a longer seal may have been their cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonpelly Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 Yep. My old seal was indeed split on some of the outside corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneandtwo Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I have always used two pieces of string starting each string opposite the other one, Pulling on both equally so the screen will hold itself in instead of trying to pop out the opposite corner. I once put a screen back in a Carmichael MK10 airport fire tender - the windscreens were NLA - even the screen rubber had to be purchased from a breaker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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