FridgeFreezer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Arjan said: I know 2.5 N/A diesel bashing is a popular thing but they are actually quite good engine is looked after and it has taken me to several mountain tops in the 10,000 feet region...... If anyone remembers Tonk and his Series 2, that had a 2.5NA and 35's and was one of the fastest things on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: If anyone remembers Tonk and his Series 2, that had a 2.5NA and 35's and was one of the fastest things on the road Cough, 200tdi and 34” simex jungle trekkers Edited March 12, 2019 by Jon White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 300Tdi (=HS 2.5), plus the 2.8 Powerstroke derivative in Wastegate and VNT versions, just to add to Fridges list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, Jon White said: Cough, 200tdi and 34” simex jungle trekkers It was a long time ago - and it was 2.5NA for a long time before he went TDi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 This one's been sitting in my files forever. Dyno plot of a 2.25 petrol in a series. Looking at the numbers I assume this is uncorrected figures at the wheels. I recall the guy who took the pull saying it was the lowest power figure he'd ever seen on the dyno, but not the lowest torque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I have one for the 4.6 with GEMS and Bosch. Interesting to see the difference, the earlier torque of the Bosch:h is noticeable and very nice, especially with an autobox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just to let you know I'm stealing all these dyno plots for my collection 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 What has happened to fuel consumption? Does that not matter to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 We have to be green aware, haven't we ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Arjan said: We have to be green aware, haven't we ? No, no, we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 No that is exhaust emissions. Fuel efficiency is tells us how often it needs filling up. Your wallet basically. But being dutch, you know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If you want economy, you can buy a Toyota pious. Or get the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Daan said: What has happened to fuel consumption? Does that not matter to anyone? Well the best engine is an electric motor, unfortunately batteries still suck and the cost of conversion is tens of thousands at the moment. Maybe as more EV's end up in scrapyards we'll see prices come down, but I think batteries will be the difficult and expensive bit for the forseeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm afraid I agree. I'd love an electric motor on my series, plumbed into the transfer box. Full torque from zero revs. No need for a gearbox. No batteries and no option to recharge inside 10 minutes, so a non starter. C'mon science, we need batteries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Chaps we are going of in a tangent here. we are talking about the best engine, and all we talk about is power curves. How do the fuel consumption figures compare between all the mentioned Land rover engines, as this does potentially decides what is best for you. So the title should really say best engine you can afford to run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 True enough Daan - although at least power curves are an improvement over random opinions from the bloke down the pub. MPG is a good leveller, for all the moaning about LR's engines the "far better" alternatives are often let down by MPG - Dirtydiesel took the p*** out of my 4.6 at every petrol station for 2000 miles, then he bought a 4.2 diesel Patrol and never mentioned MPG again same thing happened when someone bought a diesel Land Cruiser - very capable bus, very reliable, and 18mpg if you're gentle Another factor is the dwindling number of simple engines - especially diesels - that can be made to run outside their original vehicle. Megasquirt is an easy answer that covers almost anything petrol-powered, but I've not seen much by the way of running modern diesels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: Another factor is the dwindling number of simple engines - especially diesels - that can be made to run outside their original vehicle. Megasquirt is an easy answer that covers almost anything petrol-powered, but I've not seen much by the way of running modern diesels. There are a couple of very clever people in the Diesel Merc world that are developing the stuff to run the first of the copmmon rail merc lumps stand-alone. They've already got a controller which will do the Electronically controlled mechanical pumps (like the kind on my OM606). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 18 hours ago, TSD said: This one's been sitting in my files forever. Dyno plot of a 2.25 petrol in a series. Looking at the numbers I assume this is uncorrected figures at the wheels. I recall the guy who took the pull saying it was the lowest power figure he'd ever seen on the dyno, but not the lowest torque That torque at low revs is wonderful. You have to love how those petrol fours just hang on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 hours ago, landroversforever said: There are a couple of very clever people in the Diesel Merc world that are developing the stuff to run the first of the copmmon rail merc lumps stand-alone. They've already got a controller which will do the Electronically controlled mechanical pumps (like the kind on my OM606). Aren't the EDC pumps pretty simple though - clockwork to do the heavy lifting and a basic ECU to tweak a couple of parameters? I'm talking about this century's common-rail diesels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Wow! That would be a significant development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 20 hours ago, Daan said: What has happened to fuel consumption? Does that not matter to anyone? No, it's about smiles per gallon. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 This is why the true answer is subjective. What do you place most importance on? It's why I stick to a 19J (I'm not going to claim it is the best engine made though!), I don't use it as a daily driver, I don't care about it being not that fast. I want it to be original for a late 1980's Land Rover, the era I find nostalgic. Others will place importance on other things. I think it is the variety in Land Rovers that makes them so interesting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 10 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: Aren't the EDC pumps pretty simple though - clockwork to do the heavy lifting and a basic ECU to tweak a couple of parameters? I'm talking about this century's common-rail diesels. Yeah the EDC ones are simple.... it's just a mechanical pump with an electronically controlled rack. But they have got an OM648 I think it is running standalone which is common rail. EDIT: 613, which is between the 606 and the 648. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Hopefully this faceache link works.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shackleton Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 What is that, Benz? Sounds quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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