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Hello everyone,

Please excuse me if this stuff is covered in the FAQ. Wasn't actually able to find one for this sub.
I am currently stationed in the UK, and will be PCSing back to the US shortly. I have a beat up old 1991 Defender 110, which was formerly a radio truck for the 154 Scottish Regiment, or one of its subordinate squadrons.
The VIN for the Defender is SALLDHAC7HA903350, which would indicate that it has an 12J series engine.
My certificate of authenticity from the British Motor Museum says that she started life with an 11J engine.
Reading up on British military Land Rovers, in that time period she should have had a 19J engine, which she does.

I filed a FOIA request to the British Army with all the information I have to (hopefully) get a MERLIN and JAMES report, which should illuminate a lot of her maintenance and service history. Haven't heard back from them yet, but it has only been 6 days, and they have 20 to respond.

Am I going to get a like for like engine swap paper done to get her back in the states? Am I totally buggered? How in the world do I even get a like for like paper?
Posting this exact same thing over on.

Thanks  in advance guys!

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19j engines were not fitted to UK military land rovers, only to civilian vehicles, 

11j & 12j are both 4 cylinder diesel non turbo engines, quite usually for UK military to swap engines during a big base maintenance scheduled servicing. 

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I seem to remember seeing somewhere (and my memory could be playing tricks) that the US doesn''t like the early LRs and they do not meet their strict "crashworthiness" requirements. As a historic vehicle you may be OK, but I vaguely remember seeing LRs being crushed by the US customs people!

This is a topic that came up after a quick Google 

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1593182

I think you need to be very sure the paperwork is 100% watertight!

Cheers

Peter

 

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The crushed land rovers were most often due to people trying to pass off TDCIs/TD5s as > 25 years old, clearly where vehicle identity is not as stated, I would crush them too!

 

 

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Having imported a 1984 Land Rover into the US.

From experience, once the vehicle is over 25 years of age a lot of the regulations no longer apply.

However one that it is worth mentioning is the requirement for the engine.

It must be either:

The original engine

An engine of the same type as the original engine

Or

An engine that has passed USA epa emission tests.

I took a CSW, which had originally been equipped with a 3.5 V8, carb engine into the country, however I managed to get it in with a 4.2 V8 engine under the bonnet. I had fitted it with carbs but it would have qualified under either of the regs other than original engine.

The relevant paperwork is readily available from the relevant US govt department and relatively easy to complete.

Oh and because it is an ex military vehicle you will probably require an export licence from UK  government. It might be worth your while to contact either P.A. Blanchard or L. Jackson.

https://www.pablanchard.co.uk

http://mob.ljacksonandco.com/logistics.html

As mentioned above 19J engines were not fitted to military vehicles. The 12J and 11J engines are the same basic type though there are some surprising differences, internally.

Edited by neil110

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I import/export vehicles around the world. To import to the US, everything needs to correlate with the VIN - same body type, engine type, gearbox type, which side the steering wheel is on. 

It doesn't need to be the original engine, just the original type  (12j), you will not be able to import it to the US with a 19j engine, they will check and will confiscate the car if there is an anomaly. US customs are well versed in Defenders and will look for and find discrepancies.

Paperwork needs to be correct - VIN and engine number must match what is on the V5. If your engine number no longer matches what's on the V5, apply to DVLA to have it ammended.  Make sure the VIN number actually matches what's on the V5 as well, I've found a surprising number of errors. Make sure the VIN is clearly stamped on the chassis - military vehicles often had chassis changes with unstamped chassis.

You dont need a military export licence,  dont present the heritage certificate and don't try and sneak a 300tdi engine in the back of the car..

 

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Contact Doug Crowther and let him handle the import.  He has imported a thousand Defenders.  http://www.dividingcreekimports.com/

As above, if it has a 19J, you will need to get an 11J back in there.  Or just buy a different Defender.  You can import any original 200TDI and some early 300TDIs.

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.With reference to export licence requirement.

http://www.milweb.net/features/military_vehicle_export_licence.php

http://armyuk.info/export.php

Here is a land rover similar to the vehicle you would like to export, included in the listing is the type of export licence you might require.

http://armyuk.info/equip.php?ID=315

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On 5/16/2019 at 12:04 PM, hardus77 said:

Hello everyone,

Please excuse me if this stuff is covered in the FAQ. Wasn't actually able to find one for this sub.
I am currently stationed in the UK, and will be PCSing back to the US shortly. I have a beat up old 1991 Defender 110, which was formerly a radio truck for the 154 Scottish Regiment, or one of its subordinate squadrons.
The VIN for the Defender is SALLDHAC7HA903350, which would indicate that it has an 12J series engine.
My certificate of authenticity from the British Motor Museum says that she started life with an 11J engine.
Reading up on British military Land Rovers, in that time period she should have had a 19J engine, which she does.https://192168ll.onl/https://xender.vip/ https://testmyspeed.onl/

I filed a FOIA request to the British Army with all the information I have to (hopefully) get a MERLIN and JAMES report, which should illuminate a lot of her maintenance and service history. Haven't heard back from them yet, but it has only been 6 days, and they have 20 to respond.

Am I going to get a like for like engine swap paper done to get her back in the states? Am I totally buggered? How in the world do I even get a like for like paper?
Posting this exact same thing over on.

Thanks  in advance guys!

my issue got solved!

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