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7 hours ago, Red90 said:

I asked them directly and they said automatic only.

That’s a shame - I love changing gear ⚙️ 

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Reading a bit more on this, it appears that regulation has quite a bearing.

When doing the emissions testing for certification, there is quite a fee involved as you would imagine, thousands of euros/pounds/dollars or whatever.

Now, the testing has to be done for each body variant, so SWB, LWB, but also estate, pickup, chassis cab, van, hi cap, double cab pickup, and who knows what else? All we know is that the body is designed to be modular like the Defender, but I suspect more so.

You can see how the costs go up with each subtle change to the body.

Obviously you need to test for each engine variant, so with two options currently, and assuming there are, say, six body variations, that is 12 tests to do.

The crux of this is that the transmission is also included in the criteria that constitute a 'variation', so adding a second gearbox option doubles the number of certifications required.

As a start up business, and with sales of manual gearbox equipped vehicles falling under 10%, it really isn't worth it at this time.

 

Also, it is well known that the public, in general, are over changing gears, a quick google reveals a load of articles giving reasons and citing major manufacturers that have simply stopped using them at all, or in some of their lines:

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-downshift-the-death-of-the-manual-transmission/

https://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/290116/death_of_the_manual_gearbox.html

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/death-manual-gearbox

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/248786-manual-gearboxes-dead-theyre-worse-every-way-possible

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/why-is-the-manual-transmission-living-on-borrowed-time-ar182081.html

https://www.kearnymesaautorepair.com/the-death-of-the-manual-transmission/

https://motor-vision.co.uk/latest-news/manual-transmission-is-dying/

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As for the body design...they could buy from the Andalusian goverment (Santana) or iranian Moratab Pazhan the building rights for a real Land Rover body.

They could even create an offshore company in Galicia, NW Spain, in the city of Viveiro. One of it's rural neighbourhoods is called LANDROVE. Perfect name for the car!

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On 10/5/2019 at 12:03 PM, Bowie69 said:

the testing has to be done for each body variant, so SWB, LWB, but also estate, pickup, chassis cab, van, hi cap, double cab pickup, and who knows what else

Again, easy to solve. Rover had just one body option back in 1948. Doors, canvas or whatever else needed to be purchased separately.

Dfender 90 NAS where going to be marketed that way, but finally were not because of the logistics involved in stocking and delivering canvas and hardtops all along USA.

https://jalopnik.com/that-time-mercedes-made-four-cars-in-one-1760123043/amp

 

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Even if they were doing that, start up costs will need to be kept to a workable figure.

As for buying the body panel rights, well nice idea, but would never pass type approval today.

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