Wowa Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Again, reinstall after full rebuild. 1988 CSW TD> 200tdi (11L) earlier conversion. Even before rebuild I was replacing the belts too quick but here the pulley alignment is way off. Bracket fixes nicely to block. No damage to the bracket. Alternator just sitting tilted back a little. See pics. Any clues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 There should be 2 bolts on the lower bracket to mounting bolted to engine. Have you got both fitted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Hard to see. You need to take pictures of the mount area. Something looks strange as the alternator ear should be in front of the black mount. Edited January 24, 2020 by Red90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowa Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 Alternator is not tightened up yet. Rod of water pump shows pas pulley tilted back from alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmayco68 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Have you put the bolt in the rear of the alternator at the bottom? it goes into the same hole as the silver bolt holding the alternator to the block but from the rear . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Is there a split sliding Bush in the rear lower alternator lug, because it that is missing the alternator will not sit correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Yes, looks like the rear bolt in not in or not in correctly. The adjuster looks wrong as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Should be a triangular plate in this location too see page 200 in http://www.retroanaconda.com/landrover/parts_books/110/3_engine_200TDI_300TDI_V8_p168-299.pdf item 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 as on my Defender spec 200tdi here Orange arrow on my photo below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 also is the plain end of the alternator adjuster bar attached to the correct bolt hole on the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowa Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 Split sliding bush- yes. Rear fastening bolt- yes. Triangular plate- no! And I don't think it has been on for a long time. Will order (if available). Great work, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Is the bottom of the bracket attached to the block/ladder frame? I can't see how the bolts would line up with the spacer missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Did it some months ago. This is my bracket on the 200 TDi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I also think your adjuster isn't mounted correctly. On your picture it looks like it is almost horizontal. On my 19J (and I'm sure the defender spec 200tdi is the same), the adjuster is mounted to the timing cover plate lower so that it points upwards towards the alternator at about a 2 o'clock position. Someone may have a picture to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 This is actually Western's picture I found on a search (hope you don't mind Ralph?). It shows the correct position of the adjusting bracket for the alternator as I was trying to describe above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Don't mind the photo being used but it's not of my engine, probably from a reply I posted sometime ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 13 hours ago, monkie said: This is actually Western's picture I found on a search (hope you don't mind Ralph?). It shows the correct position of the adjusting bracket for the alternator as I was trying to describe above. This is a disco 200tdi, not a defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Okay, here is a picture of a Defender 200tdi from Glen Coyne's website (glencoyne.co.uk) . You can still see the alternator adjustment bracket is at the diagonal rather than horizontal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 My Defender spec 200tdi with it's 100amp alternator, note the adjuster link spacer at timing case end & slotted end sits on the front of alternator lug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 This thread is confusing me. If the belt is not aligned, it must be the wrong bracket for this type of engine, because this defines the alignment in that case. Since everybody can see, that the connection of the bracket to the block is only hold by 2 bolts, it's clear in my opinion. Is it a Defender or a Disco Engine? Maybe they are different in this place. It is not important whether the tensioner is behind or in front of the hole on the generator. This is only a matter of the distance used. Maybe I overlooked it: Has this bracket been there before? Here is another Pic. Engine is 200TDi Defender. The bracket is mounted with 3 bolts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Sorry, I think it's me that has caused the confusion. Two separate issues here on this thread about the alternator as far as I can see. The OP's question was regarding the alignment which is clearly out with the alternator sitting further back in relation to the fan pulley. From the pictures by the OP, I think as well as the alignment issue the adjuster bracket used to set the belt tension is mounted incorrectly which may or may not result in difficulties tensioning the belt correctly when the alignment problem is solved. Best to correct that now to save some trouble later on when the alignment is corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Alternator/pas bracket is secured to block with at more than 3 bolts, there are 2 on the inner side of the pas pump area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve200TDi Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Having studied and reread the original post I have a couple of questions: - If you remove the tensioning bracket/arm and just tighten up the two lower bolts (my understanding is that one has a sliding sleeve in the alternator and the other clamps up to a machined surface) does the pulley line up better or is at least parallel. I thought the tensioning bracket/arm may be skewing it slightly. If it is indeed parallel then you know you just need that extra triangular plate and you should be sorted. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The triangular plate is required on Defender 200tdi, This plate is NOT fitted on Discovery 200Tdi engines, it lines the PAS/alternator bracket forward without it, the bracket sits to far back & therefore pulley alignment will be out & the 2 bolts[marked with yellow dots in 2nd photo] that go in from left to right of the PAS/Alternator bracket will not line up with there threaded holes in rear part of timing case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1) Wowa is missing the triangular spacer plate as western pointed out at the beginning of the thread. This is causing the alignment problem. The missing part is ERR1264. It is available and not expensive. See attached diagram. 2) The adjuster is installed incorrectly. 3) I can only assume the other bolts must not be installed in the alternator/PS pump bracket that go into the timing case as they would not line up. Perhaps Wowa will return one day and clarify... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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