Nick 1 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 my 1987 90 is ready for a rebuild, I worked out the cost of doing my axles and figured it might be quicker to just fit some late axles off a 13 plate puma 65000 miles . the Breakers yard have assured me they will fit no problem🤣 any advice welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litch Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Are they from a 90 or 110? I know the Salisbury wasn't used on the TDCi 110's but I don't know if the HD axle that they did use has a longer nose? If they are from a 90 you shouldn't have any problems.  I use a 2013 TDCi 90 rear axle on my 1986 90 and it fitted with no problems whatsoever (even the brake-lines are the same thread). For the front I can't see you will have any problems other than you will need the wider radius arms and I don't know if the later callipers have twin lines? I personally purchased a NOS TD5 axle (brand-new / crated) and that bolted straight on (they are still available). With things like ABS sensors, just leave them in situ and cut the wires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Litch said: but I don't know if the HD axle that they did use has a longer nose It wasn't a long nose, just a 4-pin short nose diff (mostly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Litch said: Are they from a 90 or 110? I know the Salisbury wasn't used on the TDCi 110's but I don't know if the HD axle that they did use has a longer nose? The 110/130 axles use the P38 diff in the rear, which has a SHORTER nose, not longer.... Worse design, not better.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Litch said: Are they from a 90 or 110? I know the Salisbury wasn't used on the TDCi 110's but I don't know if the HD axle that they did use has a longer nose? If they are from a 90 you shouldn't have any problems.  I use a 2013 TDCi 90 rear axle on my 1986 90 and it fitted with no problems whatsoever (even the brake-lines are the same thread). For the front I can't see you will have any problems other than you will need the wider radius arms and I don't know if the later callipers have twin lines? I personally purchased a NOS TD5 axle (brand-new / crated) and that bolted straight on (they are still available). With things like ABS sensors, just leave them in situ and cut the wires. Hi Litch The front axle has its radius arms still bolted on .....do I use these or my original arms. No ABS on it , so thats fine Think the calipers are single line  Will fit the rear one this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 You need to use the arms on the new axles. The arms on your 1987 are a different size. Be aware that front articulation will be reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneandtwo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) The Panhard rod mounting is different.  You need to use the 2013 Panhard rod and will also need to get the 2013 steering box Panhard rod mounting bracket. I would still be changing the front drive members at 65000 at the very least, my Puma had noticeable wear at 30000. Edited January 29, 2020 by oneandtwo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, oneandtwo said: The Panhard rod mounting is different.  You need to use the 2013 Panhard rod and will also need to get the 2013 steering box Panhard rod mounting bracket. I would still be changing the front drive members at 65000 at the very least, my Puma had noticeable wear at 30000. Yes I will fit them and see what they are like and do what's necessary. My original rear axle has rusted badly and leaks oil. This was the main reason for swapping them. I have the puma panhard rod and complete power steering pump and mounting bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1 Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 Well I made a start on thid saturday, Looks like I was send 3 front and one rear shocker....... I have never realised that all 4 defender springs are different, with different part numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Wait, you're spending all this money on new axles and fitting the sh*ttest possible shock absorbers? Britpart is junk, send it all back and fit something proper FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneandtwo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I put some Britpart cellular dynamic on one of my 90s as bilstein we’re out of stock everywhere. Surprisingly they are excellent and two years later still very good. But those cheap black ones are terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Ok point taken...what would you recommend , I mainly will be using it for road work and towing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Genuine LR parts all day long (springs, bushes and shocks). This setup is something they got just right and when I did the 110 they werent too expensive either. Given the original set was about 25 years old when I changed it, genuine parts last well too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, reb78 said: Genuine LR parts all day long (springs, bushes and shocks). This setup is something they got just right and when I did the 110 they werent too expensive either. Given the original set was about 25 years old when I changed it, genuine parts last well too! Ok so the axles I have came with original land rover shockers , they appear in decent condition, I may fit these and see what they are like . Easy job to change at a later date if need be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 7:13 PM, Nick 1 said: Ok so the axles I have came with original land rover shockers , they appear in decent condition, I may fit these and see what they are like . Easy job to change at a later date if need be It seems the later Defenders had better quality shocks than the earlier, which is suprising since LR decided to cost cut everything on the Tdci's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1 Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 so this all went to plan, and I now have a nice smooth ride with no clonks and bangs as before😀 like was pointed out I had to fit the 2013 panhard rod and mounting arm. I also used 2013 flexible hoses, which required changing the brake pipe unions to female . thanks for the replys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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