Happyoldgit Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, mad_pete said: And now for the ultimate test - Does it get its own forum section on here ? 🙂 I'm ahead of you in that and suggested just that in the A&M section earlier this morning 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Why not. It's hard to argue it's not a reborn Defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, mad_pete said: And now for the ultimate test - Does it get its own forum section on here ? 🙂 Planned but Not in the Defender forum will hopefully have it's own forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Retroanaconda said: Grille and front are not to my taste, I like the rest of it though. If it's available for less than £40k on the road it'll be an interesting option. Especially with a nice BMW engine. I have had three BMW's and the engines have been excellent in all of them whether petrol or diesel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveG Posted July 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2020 I think the spec and looks are good, keen to see prices, this could be the killer if they have the same inflated egos of LR and Jeep (now in Europe) All the folks defending the spec & design of the new Defender, and all the bullpoo from LR that you can't meet modern safety and climate regs any other way, kind of have to eat humble pie now. I can’t wait to see the first back to back decent off road test between this and the new Defender. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I really like it. The front view is like someone said above... a bit of a cheap chinese copy look. But other than that I really like it. I think it shows that Jim Ratcliffe/Ineos won the case against LR with regard to the shape! I just can't help but feel a bit sad that LR missed the opportunity by a country mile. The Ineos has FAR more Defender about it. Whilst the new Defender is a great bit of engineering it shouldn't have been the defender and I think the Grenadier shows what it should have been. It could have done all of what LR are doing with the new Defender and been a tough working vehicle too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I could get used to that. Is there a short wheel base version planned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_pete Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I think it’s very early to say Land Rover missed an opportunity here. An opportunity to rebuild a very old design almost exactly the same ? I think this has a market I would say let’s see some sales numbers in a year or so before we say who has missed the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Bowie69 said: Took a moment to twig, the rear door is actually two, offset Yes - great idea to have a full width opening. Depending what it has in wheel boxes it should be able to take a pallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Bonnet looks a bit fugly at first, but looks like it will be a pretty simple aerodynamic improvement over the Defender type. I like it, looks a whole lot nicer than the JLR Offender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Eightpot said: Bonnet looks a bit fugly at first, but looks like it will be a pretty simple aerodynamic improvement over the Defender type. I like it, looks a whole lot nicer than the JLR Offender. I actually prefer the Slovak defender appearance, slightly, but I think this is a much better design for a utility vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nonimouse Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I think it looks like an upgrade of the Iveco/Santana 110 - which I also liked. Loving the Steyr designed drive train; loving the BMW power-train, loving the idea of an electric pto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 The front looks better at different angles in that ineos video that Anderzander posted above. I do keep looking at those bits that hang down beneath the chassis rails though for the suspension arms - wonder if they are going to work at re-engineering them any more to move them upwards!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I wonder why they went for exposed hinges? Purely for the look of it? Doesn't strike me as great for security, and that's definitely an area that needs improvement over the Defender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 The fasteners May lock in from the outside and only be released from the inside Geoff ? 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesBrooks Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Hinge bolts like you have on most modern double glazing and security problem is solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Imagining the scene where JLR lawyers are scrutinising these videos and images and considering whether the outward appearance of the Grenadier resembles their classic product rather too closely.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_pete Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 They have already lost the court case. Apparently all 4x4s are boxy. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cityam.com/jim-ratcliffe-wins-jaguar-land-rover-challenge-over-defender-shape/amp/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, mad_pete said: They have already lost the court case. Apparently all 4x4s are boxy. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cityam.com/jim-ratcliffe-wins-jaguar-land-rover-challenge-over-defender-shape/amp/ From that article.. "However, last month the Intellectual Property Office decided that the Defender’s shape was not different enough from that of other 4×4 models for a trademark to be justified. JLR is fighting the verdict in the High Court. The company said: “The Defender is an iconic vehicle which is part of Jaguar Land Rover’s past, present and future. “Its unique shape is recognised around the world, with the heritage shape being protected in other key markets.” JLR is fiercely protective of its Defender. In 2016, it prevented a Canadian company from using the name ‘Defender’ for an all-terrain vehicle. " They will be burning the midnight oil over this I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Happyoldgit said: From that article.. "However, last month the Intellectual Property Office decided that the Defender’s shape was not different enough from that of other 4×4 models for a trademark to be justified. JLR is fighting the verdict in the High Court. The company said: “The Defender is an iconic vehicle which is part of Jaguar Land Rover’s past, present and future. “Its unique shape is recognised around the world, with the heritage shape being protected in other key markets.” JLR is fiercely protective of its Defender. In 2016, it prevented a Canadian company from using the name ‘Defender’ for an all-terrain vehicle. " They will be burning the midnight oil over this I bet. Haha. It's ironic really. The Defender is clearly part of JLR's past... but those shaping it's future don't seem to care what the past looked like.... I wonder how much of the design that was revealed today was revealed as part of the original court case... Edited July 1, 2020 by reb78 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Fancy dropping one of the worlds most iconic vehicle designs only to let someone else pick it up. Reedonkulous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 If it was that iconic, why use so little of the design cues! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klivins Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Will grenadier have any of these 14ish points? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 ^^^^ 13 years ...lightweight 😆 He makes a few valid points though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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