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Thoughts and Musings on the Ineos Grenadier

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Well .... I think they don’t build a massive pharma company without being somewhat ruthless and commercially astute. They’ll do the numbers and we will know which one was the most economically advantageous.... because they will choose it.

In someways that attitude is in part what gives me confidence that they’ll make the automotive business viable. They’re not just car enthusiasts or dreamers with no business sense.

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Anderzander, I fully agree. Unless the Welsh govt or UK govt make it financially better for them to continue, you’d expect them to go where it makes financial sense to do so.

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There is a 99% chance that this is a way to get the local government to provide more incentives. You do not become the richest man in the land by playing nicely.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/07/jim-ratcliffes-ineos-mulls-making-land-rover-rival-france/

Who cares where it's made?

I guess that since it will be sold as a commercial vehicle rather than a car, it will escape the EU's per-vehicle punishment for cars emitting more than 100grams/Km of CO2: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/12/29/car-giants-face-billions-fines-eu-emissions-rules-take-effect/

I wonder how it will be treated in the UK: here, "commercial vehicles" have a lower dual-carriageway speed-limit than passenger-cars. There has been argument in the past as to whether a Defender-with-rear-seats is allowed to do 60 or 70MPH on a dual-carriageway.

Will the Grenadier have a factory full-rear-seating option, I wonder?

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The French have some rather nasty laws about making people redundant, so Ineos may be hoping to be bribed by Daimler to pick up the slack and get whatever sweeteners are offered by the French local authorities. 

(All a bit depressing as my wife, working from home, is making arrangements to make lots of people redundant around the country).

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7 hours ago, Tanuki said:

I guess that since it will be sold as a commercial vehicle rather than a car, it will escape the EU's per-vehicle punishment for cars emitting more than 100grams/Km of CO2:

I mentioned that a few pages ago and also thought the emissions regs would fit into the same puzzle. My original argument was based around the lower limit discouraging people from buying it who would be likely to drive it like a car then whinge bitterly and publically when full live axle peculiarities bite.

I'm not sure how many parrallels there are between type approval and IVA but calling your homebuild a commercial and stomaching the reduced speed limits makes external projections testing easier.

Only thing that added a little doubt to that was the mention of families in one of the videos. I think they have been painting a more constructed story in those videos though.

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5 hours ago, WesBrooks said:

I think they have been painting a more constructed story in those videos though.

Me too, given that it's been 100% CGI vehicles and marketing puff up till now - the same thing everyone moaned about LR doing in the Defender thread, but I guess when Ineos are telling you what you want to hear it's fine :lol:

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Yeah, I'd got my thought process twisted by making the mistake of listening to the words released by marking... 😉

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The difference seems to be that their marketing puff is branding a utility vehicle as a utility vehicle - whereas JLR are trying to present a luxury vehicle as a continuity of product from a utility vehicle.

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It could equally be branding a £40k BMW-engined G-Wagen as something novel, just to play the cynic for a sec ;)

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They used to be cheaper than that before Mercedes lost their way.

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13 hours ago, Red90 said:

They used to be cheaper than that before Mercedes lost their way.

Back in 1979 Mercedes G classe was priced at about 30000 DM in Germany. Quick run thru the inflation calculator - its about 35000 euro in today's money. 

10 years later the price were about 60000 DM. About 50000 euro today, adjusted for inflation

 

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On 7/8/2020 at 12:08 PM, Anderzander said:

A £40k G Wagen would be novel though wouldn’t it ? 

Gimme 😎

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