Thoughts and Musings on the Ineos Grenadier

[Retroanaconda]

I doubt the sales of the Grenadier or the Defender are going to be in trouble, they are both small volume products and Ineos and Land Rover both have far more demand than there is production capacity - even without component shortages. They are both in the leisure/lifestyle 4x4 market and there will always be enough people with money despite the rises in the cost of just about everything.

What will be more interesting is how many Grenadiers are bought commercially. 

[Anderzander]

The chip shortage is definitely affecting Land Rover - There are big long waiting lists on many of their models, they are putting all of their chips into the range rovers to maximise returns. 

[Happyoldgit]

On 6/15/2022 at 7:26 AM, Retroanaconda said:

I doubt the sales of the Grenadier or the Defender are going to be in trouble, they are both small volume products and Ineos and Land Rover both have far more demand than there is production capacity - even without component shortages. They are both in the leisure/lifestyle 4x4 market and there will always be enough people with money despite the rises in the cost of just about everything.

What will be more interesting is how many Grenadiers are bought commercially. 

 

Yep, I am curious to know what the commercial uptake will be and what the fleet pricing will be.

[jeremy996]

The latest bit of marketing to come my way, a render of my ordered vehicle as it would look driving around Iceland. Nothing is real as this is all a video rendering, so more Pixar movie than News at Ten. The e-mail is apparently warming me up for more contact from them in a week or so.

https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/gb/my-grenadier?videoUrl=/cinematic/G03A/video/14c449618f7d7bb79e47cbd520e5cad65f7af70c.mp4

 

[Anderzander]

That’s very cool. Love the colour.

Never noticed they could have individual sunroofs before 

[jeremy996]

4 minutes ago, Anderzander said:

Never noticed they could have individual sunroofs before 

The "Safari Roof"; two small tilt/remove sunroofs. If the Grenadier is as bendy as a original Defender, I may regret that choice, as the old Britax sunroof always leaked as the vehicle aged. My 110CSW was rebuilt with a solid TD5 roof to avoid the sun roof leaks!

[Anderzander]

From the manufacturing videos the body shell looks pretty solid. 

[landroversforever]

That looks great Jeremy . Have they given you any more of an idea of delivery date yet? 

[deep]

That's great!  Ineos seem to be pretty good at those little touches.  Yours is quite close to what I'd pick colour-wise, except I despise black wheels (have them on my Freelander 2 and hate the unfinished look).  

Somehow, that video really highlights how low a back floor can be if you don't hide spare wheels or seats under it, a very positive feature.  I wonder if the whole floor would be that low in the models without rear seats?

 

[Happyoldgit]

That's a very effective way of showing a customer what their vehicle will look like. Personally speaking I like the blue but not sure I would go for the sunroofs though. 

[Snagger]

On 6/24/2022 at 1:40 PM, jeremy996 said:

The latest bit of marketing to come my way, a render of my ordered vehicle as it would look driving around Iceland. Nothing is real as this is all a video rendering, so more Pixar movie than News at Ten. The e-mail is apparently warming me up for more contact from them in a week or so.

https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/gb/my-grenadier?videoUrl=/cinematic/G03A/video/14c449618f7d7bb79e47cbd520e5cad65f7af70c.mp4

 

That looks superb, though I’d go for white wheels.  Maybe I’m too conditioned by LR…  I really like the interiors and double sunroofs.

[Anderzander]

Local BMW Group advertising for Ineos staff:

[jeremy996]

New Youtube video, Robert Pepper talking to the CEO for Australia, New Zealand and Oceania. Interesting take on the Grenadier with some interesting concepts talked about - Graceful Degradation was a lovely idea, (system faults but still able to move)

Quite long at nearly 53 minutes, but I found it interesting.

 

[jeremy996]

A YouTube video from Christian and Vera, LR_Time, where they explain their take on the Grenadier buying conundrum. My favourite bit was Christian say the way to make the Grenadier look cheap was to configure a Defender!

 

[jeremy996]

I went the The Game Fair at Ragley Hall with my wife this morning on free tickets from Ineos.

I showed Maria the Grenadier for the first time and the idea has not been shot down in flames, although the price on a "full fat" one was considered scary. They had a few there, mostly engineering prototypes, (including the 2B one I saw in Sussex), they had all been wrapped to alter colours, so the later pre-production one was green under a blue and red wrap, (for the Tour de France). 

The pre-prod one was a step change in assembly and perceived finish, I was really taken with it, although I gather it is one of the posher launch editions. The interior trim looked good to me, the arch trims in the luggage area were massively slimmed down and the rear door catches had been greatly tided up. 

Now waiting for the local dealer to ask me to finalise specification and sign a formal contract to purchase, (when I can no longer get the deposit back).

Edited July 31, 2022 by jeremy996
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[jeremy996]

I was sent an e-mail from Ineos which says that the initial vehicles will be later than expected. I had an October 2022 build date, so I guess it's now November/December for delivery. They included a video from Mark Tennant.

https://click.grenadier.ineos.com/?qs=b7ab65b1d24dc3aa892ff0dc0ebe840c97d2079a21fa830b0cf8f5b19b45fb36d579724e3bd170f5b303535654f2f77b187a87f04fe7e4db

(The video cannot be embedded).

As selling my LR110CSW is proving something of a pain, this may be a blessing in disguise. Still, I now have an MOT to 24/08/2023, so it's not all bad.

[Snagger]

Almost all car manufacturers are having huge issues with parts and materials, so delays are sadly to be expected.

[Happyoldgit]

Not only that but current  situations and projections  mean there appears to be a degree of treading water or belt tightening on all levels. The world and outlook are somewhat removed from when the Grenadier was conceived.  

[ThreePointFive]

But on the plus side, it will be longer before we have to see that front end in public.

Every cloud and all that...

[jeremy996]

Article in the October 2002 Land Rover Monthly. Mark Evans is a fan at least!

 

[FridgeFreezer]

23 minutes ago, jeremy996 said:

Mark Evans is a fan at least!

You mean Mark Evans, paid spokesman for Ineos Grenadier who's been presenting all their development PR videos for the last few years?

I mean, I've met him and he's a top chap and loves his Land Rovers and vehicles in general, but it's not exactly much of an endorsement in this case

[jeremy996]

I was actually surprised to see anything in LRM, the editor wrote a few months ago that they would stick to LRs, so Gary Pusey must have some leverage. 

[Maverik]

9 hours ago, jeremy996 said:

I was actually surprised to see anything in LRM, the editor wrote a few months ago that they would stick to LRs, so Gary Pusey must have some leverage. 

I heard he'd got some comprising pictures of the editor in a 3some with a mitsubishi, a Toyota and a Jeep...

[FridgeFreezer]

They're not daft - they must know a long article on this by Mark Evans is going to get eyeballs even if they never mention it again.

Or maybe they're trying to give JLR a bit of a nudge?

[Mo Murphy]

I don't know who Gary Pusey is ☹ I feel so inadequate now 🥺

Mo