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I think it needs to be "build" where they can do it for the best quality / retail price.

 

"Building" it outside the EU in a "3rd country" makes it more expensive for the EU market (Import Duty 10/20/25 %).

IF that is where they think they'll be selling most (EU) it makes sense - if they think US is the place to sell, they'll do it there.

Also, the EU has many trade agreements with most countries on trade, tariffs, homologations and sorts of legal rulings making trade easier.

Where to "build" is a matter of logistics, costs, politics and all that - not a lot of room for emotions I'm afraid...

And, let's face it, "build" is really not the word IMHO for this as most components (engines, transmissions, axles, chassis) are made elsewhere and it is more a logistical puzzle and putting it together...

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11 hours ago, Mo Murphy said:

More pertinently ...

Isn't it about time we invaded France now that we have these Longbows ?

Mo

You say that as if it belonged to them. I'd say it's more a case of restoring the original government.

 

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6 hours ago, Gazzar said:

You say that as if it belonged to them. I'd say it's more a case of restoring the original legitimate government.

 

😉

Mo

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We could just have Calais, the plant is near there, right? 

We could solve the people trafficking problem at the same time.

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On 8/15/2020 at 5:09 PM, Anderzander said:

We had a French government from 1066 for rather a long time - we’re all half French.

I'll pass on the French if you dont mind.

My DNA shows me to be more German than even the most obvious candidate of British or Irish 🤪

So, back to invading France ...

Mo

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On 8/15/2020 at 5:20 PM, Bowie69 said:

We could just have Calais, the plant is near there, right? 

We could solve the people trafficking problem at the same time.

They want to come to the UK not work.

Mo

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11 minutes ago, Mo Murphy said:

They want to come to the UK not work.

Mo

Hmm, I kinda meant by owning Calais we could at least stop the gangs loading people into boats at 20K a pop.

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19 minutes ago, Bowie69 said:

Hmm, I kinda meant by owning Calais we could at least stop the gangs loading people into boats at 20K a pop.

Ah, I thought you meant they could be employed in the factory! 

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Look at the build quality of Peugeot and Renault, look at French labour law and their propensity for strikes.  It’d be like asking a European manufacturer to set up a plant in a 1970 BL factory with BL staff...  I think that answers the question well enough.  

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16 hours ago, Mo Murphy said:

Ah, I thought you meant they could be employed in the factory! 

Slave labour? I suppose it does have some upsides....

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10 minutes ago, Bowie69 said:

Slave labour? I suppose it does have some upsides....

Such a coarse term for overseas employees.

Mo

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartville,_Hambach,_France

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/mercedes-benz-sell-smart-factory-france

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/Production-The-Hambach-plant---quality-and-efficiency-in-one.xhtml?oid=9905219

Smart production of the new model is going to China; Daimler need to keep the existing staff employed or the French State will be wanting its pound of flesh; Magna is there already; there is a fair bit of space around the Smart plant.

Quality was OK, staff costs are above average.

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Thanks really interesting reading that - as recently as 2018 they invested a big chunk of money in it. So it would seem that financial pressures or opportunity (sale to China) changed their direction.

One of those articles says wages were lower than the German site considered as an alternative at the time of building.

As you say too - one of the Ineos Delivery Partners on site already would be a boon.

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Just reading a bit more: Hambach is right on the border with Germany - Hambach forest and Castle are over the German Border.

That region, Moselle, actually has German as a dominant language and culture.

Its also apparently within a few km of one of the Ineos Chemical Plants

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