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I think the issue is that each TR mode has a specific engine map, so that means different emissions profile. 

But yeah, this is why my mate struggled the first time off-road - none of us knew about this and just assumed that once he set the TR mode, it would stay there. 

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On 9/26/2020 at 7:24 PM, Naks said:

I think the issue is that each TR mode has a specific engine map, so that means different emissions profile. 

But yeah, this is why my mate struggled the first time off-road - none of us knew about this and just assumed that once he set the TR mode, it would stay there. 

This thread has solved the mystery of why my Mini doesn't stay in sport mode then!

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9 hours ago, landroversforever said:

This thread has solved the mystery of why my Mini doesn't stay in sport mode then!

Yup. Any new car requires a bit of pre-flight button flipping (drive mode, stop/start, lord knows what else)

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15 hours ago, landroversforever said:

This thread has solved the mystery of why my Mini doesn't stay in sport mode then!

my cupra when put into cupra mode, only stays in cupra suspension & steering when the ignition is cycled, you have to re activate cupra mode for the throttle map

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12 hours ago, elbekko said:

Yup. Any new car requires a bit of pre-flight button flipping (drive mode, stop/start, lord knows what else)

With my Land Rover 110, I do have to hold down my pre-heat button for a while before I start it.  That's already more button pressing than I like.  You can keep your new cars!

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ZA review at a local 4x4 trail, with an old 110 accompanying him.

I've done this trail once or twice, and it's NOT as easy as it looks, especially seeing that we've had torrential rains in the past few months & weeks.

 

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Nice to see one with the rear locker used off-road.

The TFL guys just took delivery of their base-spec 110, with only the off-road options selected:

Should be interesting what they do with it, they were talking about Moab, so should be fun to follow.

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16 hours ago, elbekko said:

Nice to see one with the rear locker used off-road.

The TFL guys just took delivery of their base-spec 110, with only the off-road options selected:

Should be interesting what they do with it, they were talking about Moab, so should be fun to follow.

 

I think they're going to regret getting that front middle seat instead of the fridge!

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On 10/8/2020 at 2:53 PM, elbekko said:

Nice to see one with the rear locker used off-road.

The TFL guys just took delivery of their base-spec 110, with only the off-road options selected:

Should be interesting what they do with it, they were talking about Moab, so should be fun to follow.

Just watching those guys and came across this 

 

 

 

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On 10/10/2020 at 8:51 AM, jason110 said:

Just watching those guys and came across this 

 

 

 

There's a follow-up to this: basically after 24 days of ownership, it's been at the dealers for 20 of them!  Because the case has a bit of a profile, JLR sent an engineer to sort it out.  At the time of filming, all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't get Humpty Dumpty working properly again!  A bit of a confidence killer.

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It is pretty sad when a factory engineer can't figure out the problem after a week.  With an engine that has been in production for a couple of years.

Imagine being a normal owner, where your only hope is the barely over minimum wage monkeys to troubleshoot.

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20 hours ago, Red90 said:

It is pretty sad when a factory engineer can't figure out the problem after a week.  With an engine that has been in production for a couple of years.

Imagine being a normal owner, where your only hope is the barely over minimum wage monkeys to troubleshoot.

The problem could be the computer programmer who decided that light had to come on any time a cylinder misfires.  The environmental cost of chasing that problem has been a kazillion times higher than ignoring it - but you can't ignore a light which implies imminent danger!

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3 hours ago, deep said:

The problem could be the computer programmer who decided that light had to come on any time a cylinder misfires.  The environmental cost of chasing that problem has been a kazillion times higher than ignoring it - but you can't ignore a light which implies imminent danger!

You think your brand new luxurymobile that you spent a normal person's yearly salary on should misfire and be ignored? Do you work for LR QC?  ;)

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The thing is, how many of us are surprised by this?  I was expecting more instances of this sort of thing, and I suspect it is happening, but the motoring press have been charmed and decided to favour this model, so I strongly suspect the reliability issues will be hidden or at least not reported from a combination of bias, personal benefits for journalists, and them not wanting to admit their gushing praise was ill founded.  I’ll bet there are many hundreds, even thousands of normal owners with no voice and no clout being given the runaround over faulty Pretenders.

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The Facebook groups would not suggest that this is the case. I’ve only seen one case where a vehicle had a gearbox loom fault and was replaced. Other than that there are lots of infotainment glitches (recent update seems to have helped with many of these) and the odd trim issue (A pillar rattle recall for example) but nothing serious. Of course I’m not sure how much of a representative sample the groups are, though there is a wide range of owners from the commercial contractor users through to people with the top spec 22” rim “more money than taste” versions.

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23 hours ago, Red90 said:

You think your brand new luxurymobile that you spent a normal person's yearly salary on should misfire and be ignored? Do you work for LR QC?  ;)

 

Nice one.  They didn't even know it had misfired until they plugged a diagnostic tool in.  Quelle horreur!  My new car is only 99.999999999999999999% perfect.  It must be replaced!!

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And two weeks with a factory engineer flown around the world and they can't fix it.  What a fabulous machine to take deep into the bush.  Maybe if you have a big YouTube channel, LR will long line in a repair team.

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