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Driven: New Defender - On & Off Road. Is it a Pretender?


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Good video. Sadly no terrain even remotely similar round this way.... would love to have a go.

 

Not knocking the New Defender. But I suspect driver and momentum played far bigger factors than the actual vehicle. Although plenty of power and a fast shifting auto may well have been handy vs some of the older models.

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1 minute ago, Chicken Drumstick said:

Not knocking the New Defender. But I suspect driver and momentum played far bigger factors than the actual vehicle. Although plenty of power and a fast shifting auto may well have been handy vs some of the older models.

Definitely going to have a hand in it. Being able to downshift seamlessly and not loose momentum has got to be a big help.

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15 hours ago, Chicken Drumstick said:

Good video. Sadly no terrain even remotely similar round this way.... would love to have a go.

 

Not knocking the New Defender. But I suspect driver and momentum played far bigger factors than the actual vehicle. Although plenty of power and a fast shifting auto may well have been handy vs some of the older models.

Automatics are much better on soft conditions like dry sand, and that was part of why I was looking at fitting one.  In theory, you can’t stall the engine on bill climbs, either.  Hill descents are a bit swifter, though, so swings and roundabouts.

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11 hours ago, Snagger said:

Automatics are much better on soft conditions like dry sand, and that was part of why I was looking at fitting one.  In theory, you can’t stall the engine on bill climbs, either.  Hill descents are a bit swifter, though, so swings and roundabouts.

I've seen people struggle terribly with Tdis, in soft sand.  Build up momentum in a higher gear and drop off the turbo half way up, or go slower in a lower gear and not have enough momentum to start with.  No time for that crucial downshift, where an auto could have made it work.  I'd imagine those new, very high output turbocharged engines would be just as bad with a manual box.  A lot of autos will lock up in low gear so aren't necessarily that bad.

Having said that, I do quite enjoy having a manual in my 110.

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That TFL stuff is very odd.  Their Defenders have appeared to work perfectly but the messages on the dashboard disagree.  Methinks they need a slightly less neurotic computer programmer.  Then the cars will suddenly be far more reliable and everyone will love them.  Certainly, in that last video, it was a vastly better vehicle than the other two (functionally speaking).

Also, what the heck has happened to the Nissan Patrol?  Over here, the old GQ Patrol is much loved by the lead foot brigade (because, fat and heavy as it is, the combination of 1970 Rang Rover suspension and strong transmission allows them to throw it at everything).  That Armada version looked very vulnerable by comparison.

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13 hours ago, deep said:

That TFL stuff is very odd.  Their Defenders have appeared to work perfectly but the messages on the dashboard disagree.  Methinks they need a slightly less neurotic computer programmer.  Then the cars will suddenly be far more reliable and everyone will love them.  Certainly, in that last video, it was a vastly better vehicle than the other two (functionally speaking).

It is indeed very odd. Stuff like the coolant level sensor is just strange, because they didn't have that issue on the other Defenders they've taken off-road. All in all I think the main problem is UI.

As a programmer myself, it is hard to find a good middle ground for both novice users and expert users. Sometimes you just want a second screen that gives you a lot more options, but would overwhelm a novice. They kind of did that with the configurable TR screen, only show the nitty-gritty variables if the user really wants to see them, otherwise it's just a preset like 'mud & ruts'.

It would be nice if they could do the same for fault codes and such - hide it from the novice day-to-day users, but allow expert users to see more info about the conditions the fault occurred under (like: coolant level low, duration 1 second, incline 30°), and allow them to clear the fault if deemed non-critical.

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11 hours ago, elbekko said:

It would be nice if they could do the same for fault codes and such - hide it from the novice day-to-day users, but allow expert users to see more info about the conditions the fault occurred under (like: coolant level low, duration 1 second, incline 30°), and allow them to clear the fault if deemed non-critical.

Exactly!  It's all so way out of hand.  Far, far, far too much going on just to be able to drive and use the vehicle.

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8 hours ago, ThreePointFive said:

Sir Drumstick, would you be willing to take detailed photos of how the hard top is mounted through to the cappings in exchange for internet points?

That has the exact setup I'm trying to copy. 

I’ll see if I can get some pics for you. Might be next weekend though. 

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