Jon W Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Is it a defender tdi or a dicvoery tdi engine? Where you have the boost gauge plumbed in it is showing what the turbo is giving out but not what the inlet will be receiving. You could have a boost leak or collapsed pipe somewhere. I have mine on my discovery tdi engine plumbed into the inlet plenum so you can see what it is actually getting and then will know if it is leaking anywhere Only thing I have done on mine is twist the standard pin and put a bigger intercooler and it goes much better. The pins you can buy require more setting up and the plastic spacer adjusting sometime to get them to work properly Hope that is of some help Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chambo110 said: Fellas am i correct in thinking it’s a case of making a small adjustment, going for a drive and see what I get then adjust until I reach desired psi ? also, if aiming for 1 bar.. do I need to adjust pump at all ?? Thanks Thats how I would do it. You can increase fuelling to match the increased boost. I found that adjusting the fuelling led to an increase in boost so its just a case of small tweaks until you get to where you want. My advice is to do a little more reading before fiddling - see the PDF I posted in this thread. (adjusting the boost pin in the pump and the boost via the wastegate will probably be sufficient. I found very little gain messing with the starwheel. The 'max fuel screw' on the back of the pump just needs small adjustments but I would leave it alone unless you have done everything else and want more. An EGT gauge would be a useful reccomendation. I dont have one but perhaps have been lucky). Also - as Nonimouse said service the engine, change all the filters, check the valve clearances, potentially get your injectors serviced too. Make sure all of this is good as you will find gains here too. Edited November 12, 2020 by reb78 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Ive started already. tried initially 1 full rotation of rod.. no difference add another 2 full rotations.. I think i see 11psi add another 2 full rotation and I think it sometimes scrapes 12psi. not much thread left on rod now and I’m not gonna go cutting things as some places suggest. jon 99% sure it’s a defender tdi.. gauge is plumbed into the pipe that arches over top of turbo.. same as Ralph’s I believe. All pipe work changed for new silicone not long ago and very little mileage since. Pipe from from of turbo to air filter not been changed so I guess that’s an option to check .. how do I do that ?? Reb i see that write up somewhere.. I don’t intend to play with any fuel settings just yet besides.. I’ve now found a water leak from somewhere behind the fan pulley.. assuming that’s the water pimp?? That could well be yet another post from me 😉 time out.. going for a poo and lunch.. not necessarily related or in that order One thing after another with these bloody vehicles. Still it could be worse, I could be indoors with her watching a place in the sun 🥱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Sound like a very similar story to me last year - the boost was set really quite low, and I have no reason to suspect it didn't come out the factory like that. I found I couldn't get anywhere near 3000rpm, so I tweaked my rod length as per below and it solved the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 So wager coming from hole on bottom of pulley ?? is that the tell tale hole to let me know it’s water pump time 🤬🤬🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chambo110 said: So wager coming from hole on bottom of pulley ?? is that the tell tale hole to let me know it’s water pump time 🤬🤬🤬 Yep! New pump needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 B*llox The amount of stuff I’ve upgraded and re newed over last couple of years this complete truck is very nearly brand new can I re register it as a 70 plate ? oh well.. here we go again cheers Reb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 16 hours ago, monkie said: I think I need to have a chat with you Richard when I've got mine sorted 👍 Haha. Happy to meet up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Chambo110 said: Ive started already. tried initially 1 full rotation of rod.. no difference add another 2 full rotations.. I think i see 11psi add another 2 full rotation and I think it sometimes scrapes 12psi. not much thread left on rod now and I’m not gonna go cutting things as some places suggest. jon 99% sure it’s a defender tdi.. gauge is plumbed into the pipe that arches over top of turbo.. same as Ralph’s I believe. All pipe work changed for new silicone not long ago and very little mileage since. Pipe from from of turbo to air filter not been changed so I guess that’s an option to check .. how do I do that ?? Reb i see that write up somewhere.. I don’t intend to play with any fuel settings just yet besides.. I’ve now found a water leak from somewhere behind the fan pulley.. assuming that’s the water pimp?? That could well be yet another post from me 😉 time out.. going for a poo and lunch.. not necessarily related or in that order One thing after another with these bloody vehicles. Still it could be worse, I could be indoors with her watching a place in the sun 🥱 I found that as I increased fuel, boost also went up so needed to lengthen the rod again if it went above what I was aiming for. If I got black smoke I backed off the fuelling instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Leave the rod length standard and use a manual boost controller to adjust your boost pressure. Much easier to get at and simple to fit. Shortening the rod is so last year. Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Mo Murphy said: Leave the rod length standard and use a manual boost controller to adjust your boost pressure. Much easier to get at and simple to fit. Shortening the rod is so last year. Mo ? hows that work then mo ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, Chambo110 said: ? hows that work then mo ?? It doesn't allow pressure to open the wastegate until it reaches the required pressure. Simples Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 21 hours ago, reb78 said: Thats how I would do it. You can increase fuelling to match the increased boost. I found that adjusting the fuelling led to an increase in boost so its just a case of small tweaks until you get to where you want. My advice is to do a little more reading before fiddling - see the PDF I posted in this thread. (adjusting the boost pin in the pump and the boost via the wastegate will probably be sufficient. I found very little gain messing with the starwheel. The 'max fuel screw' on the back of the pump just needs small adjustments but I would leave it alone unless you have done everything else and want more. An EGT gauge would be a useful reccomendation. I dont have one but perhaps have been lucky). Also - as Nonimouse said service the engine, change all the filters, check the valve clearances, potentially get your injectors serviced too. Make sure all of this is good as you will find gains here too. I've got an EGT gauge.... regularly goes over 800 degrees.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, vulcan bomber said: I've got an EGT gauge.... regularly goes over 800 degrees.. Was it an easy fit?? I worry about drilling into things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Chambo110 said: Was it an easy fit?? I worry about drilling into things Its not that difficult - you have to be careful of how you go about it due to its location but its as easy as drilling a hole tapping it out and screwing in a fitting. The casting drill quite easily and its not that thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Chambo110 said: Was it an easy fit?? I worry about drilling into things Depends what fitting you have and where your putting it. I have access to some rather impressive machines and a superb welder friend so yeah it was easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, vulcan bomber said: Depends what fitting you have and where your putting it. I have access to some rather impressive machines and a superb welder friend so yeah it was easy. Where is yours David? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, reb78 said: Where is yours David? Right under the flange for the turbo, it goes through internal webbing for number 3 and 4 cylinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 Anyone got pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 11/11/2020 at 5:03 PM, western said: 200tdi boost pressure should be 0.85 bar, I set mine at 15psi which is just over. Check the hose for fit fit & make sure it doesn't have any leaks. Ralph Did you do yours with the rod or a bit of pump tuning aswell ?? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Just by adjusting the wastegate actuator rod, my FIP is at standard factory setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, western said: Just by adjusting the wastegate actuator rod, my FIP is at standard factory setting. Hmmmm? I done 5 full rotations of rod now no Fip adjustments from how I found it, and it’s barely showing over 10psi. Probably got approx 6-7mm of thread left from memory. i worry about going much further without an egt gauge. rpm now fitted and working but I need to get that synced properly. ( no timing light) got the throttle cable adjusted so ticking nice n slow without being too close to stall and set rpm gauge at 850ish 2500rpm on dual carriageway in 4th foot to floor and boost shoes 10-11max .. do I just need to be brave and add a couple more turns to rod or be safe and get egt fitted and boost gauge checked to make sure it’s reading correct I have checked for leaks with soapy water and nothing that I can see thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 0.85 bar = 12.328207707 psi so at 11 psi = 0.7584233022 bar your not at the factory setting yet, as you have not tweaked the FIP, I don't believe there will be a excessive egt problem, mine is set to a fraction under 15psi on my psi boost gauge, no egt gauge. conversion done on https://www.unitconverters.net/pressure/bar-to-psi.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambo110 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 How much thread you got left on your rod .. pardon me 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I will have to look & take a measurement tomorrow. this attached cropped from my engine rebuild thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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