Cornish Rattler Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Hi guys Well i am over the moon with my new Zeus front disc brake conversion it has totally transformed the 2a and have now decided to get the Zeus rear brake disc conversion kit as well and as with fitting the front kit i will post pic's 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 We have them borh front and rear - very happy with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Arjan said: We have them borh front and rear - very happy with them. Yeah i can't wait now 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Easy fitting : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Arjan said: Easy fitting : 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 What master cylinder would you use for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 16 hours ago, Gazzar said: What master cylinder would you use for this? For now I'm using the std none servo master cylinder but once the rear disc brake conversion is done I will see how it goes and if needed I will buy a a better master cylinder and servo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 We have the standard Series MBC with the standard Servo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen kane Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Cornish Rattler said: For now I'm using the std none servo master cylinder but once the rear disc brake conversion is done I will see how it goes and if needed I will buy a a better master cylinder and servo Wow, no servo on discs, that must take a firm push to get anything happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 11 hours ago, citizen kane said: Wow, no servo on discs, that must take a firm push to get anything happening. It’s a good test of bulkhead integrity, for certain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Snagger said: It’s a good test of bulkhead integrity, for certain! I am still bleeding my brakes (lockdown and remote garage so no access) so it will be interesting as I only have room for a short pedal tower and no servo on RRC brake MC. It may turnout to be too much as LR increased the pedal tower height for the brake pedal but I have to use a LHD clutch pedal for it as it is in a S1 with low bonnet. Actually it is the length of the dual MC that is too long to fit a tall brake tower without modification as it angles the MC down towards the S1 dashboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Can you fit a remote servo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 15 hours ago, citizen kane said: Wow, no servo on discs, that must take a firm push to get anything happening. No its less effort than it was with drums. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Snagger said: It’s a good test of bulkhead integrity, for certain! New galv bulkhead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Snagger said: Can you fit a remote servo? Yes I had one on the single line drum brakes and I have a pair that I was going to fit with the RRC twin cylinder twin line front calipers. Now I have fitted 90 front calipers I don't need twin lines to the front and don't want the rear through a servo particularly. Time will tell (once I can return to it) as if it is too hard I will add a the pair of servos. The Volvo 303 6x6 had them like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 You can still use the RR master, blanking the unused port with one of those plugs that looks a lot like a solid bleed screw without a head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wytze Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 With a small bore master cilinder , there is more travel , but less effort to push the pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrover17H Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I run a coiler NRC4772 servo on 4 x Heystee discs. Mine was undriveable without, and the reason is school-boy stuff,. Friction is a factor of force not area. Without a servo to make-up the force deficit now that the self-servo effect of the drums has been removed, it can't be great. Got to give it to you, you've got balls. Force from the drums now removed, if it's an improvement, what state were the drums in! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 12:29 AM, Landrover17H said: I run a coiler NRC4772 servo on 4 x Heystee discs. Mine was undriveable without, and the reason is school-boy stuff,. Friction is a factor of force not area. Without a servo to make-up the force deficit now that the self-servo effect of the drums has been removed, it can't be great. Got to give it to you, you've got balls. Force from the drums now removed, if it's an improvement, what state were the drums in! All drums and brakes was new ish when i replaced them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 You cannot achieve reasonable braking with disks and a standard LR non-servo system pedal and master. The callipers need far higher pressure than the drum system, so without some sort of boosting system or a mechanical system that increases leverage or uses a smaller bore, longer travel master, you just won’t get the pressure you need. It’s just physics, not opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 26/01/2021 at 11:35 AM, Snagger said: You cannot achieve reasonable braking with disks and a standard LR non-servo system pedal and master. The callipers need far higher pressure than the drum system, so without some sort of boosting system or a mechanical system that increases leverage or uses a smaller bore, longer travel master, you just won’t get the pressure you need. It’s just physics, not opinion. Yes i totally agree with that and i do intend on fitting a servo and bigger master cylinder but not decided on which ones to get plus i couldn't afford to buy everything at once so once the rear brakes are done then i will decide which to go for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 There is a lot of variation in what people prefer and what will work for different people, of course. I have driven some cars with such light pedals and so much boosting I thought them dangerous for my size and weight of feet/leg, like the Micra. I like the feel the whole Discovery 1 system gave my 109, and it feels very well balanced, but some will be content with the SIII master and servo, which would require quite a lot more pedal effort, and some would prefer something lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I understand the comments, and they are not about my set up specifically but until I get to try my design (RRC system but no servo) at higher speed on private land I can't make a final decision. I used to have a servo on my S1 on drums until it failed, once removed I was back to std brakes but stopping at a motorway junction showed just how much force it required to stop from higher speed! AFAIK most race cars don't have servos and go a lot faster and stop a lot harder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wytze Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, missingsid said: AFAIK most race cars don't have servos and go a lot faster and stop a lot harder? That is what i was talking about. it takes a lot less force to push a little piston in to a cilinder that's pushing a larger piston out of a cilinder. On my track car i had two masters, a 0.75 for the rear and 6.25 for the front with a bias in the pedal that could be ajusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, missingsid said: I understand the comments, and they are not about my set up specifically but until I get to try my design (RRC system but no servo) at higher speed on private land I can't make a final decision. I used to have a servo on my S1 on drums until it failed, once removed I was back to std brakes but stopping at a motorway junction showed just how much force it required to stop from higher speed! AFAIK most race cars don't have servos and go a lot faster and stop a lot harder? Race cars are also a lot lighter than a Land Rover! They’ll have systems that use mechanical advantage like long pedals, long travel, small diameter master cylinders and of course special pads and disks with much higher friction coefficients than we use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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