uninformed Posted September 4, 2021 Author Share Posted September 4, 2021 Wheel track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) No the best photo, but 16 degrees of cross articulation. This was set by the bump stop gap on the droop side determined by shock length, and jacking the compressed side until that side chassis starts to lift. The compressed side just touches the bump stop. Engine, gearbox and t/case are still installed. There potentially will be a touch more down pressure on the compressed side in the situation where the rear axle is articulating the opposite way and loading torsionally through the chassis to the front. The Nissan Patrol bushes are definitely more compliant than the LR equivalent. As a point of reference, the rear A frame ball joint only has a maximum of 30 degrees range of movement in one plain ( 15 degrees to one side if there is no fore/aft movement) … Edited September 11, 2021 by uninformed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 6 hours ago, uninformed said: No the best photo, but 16 degrees of cross articulation. This was set by the bump stop gap on the droop side determined by shock length, and jacking the compressed side until that side chassis starts to lift. The compressed side just touches the bump stop. Engine, gearbox and t/case are still installed. There potentially will be a touch more down pressure on the compressed side in the situation where the rear axle is articulating the opposite way and loading torsionally through the chassis to the front. The Nissan Patrol bushes are definitely more compliant than the LR equivalent. As a point of reference, the rear A frame ball joint only has a maximum of 30 degrees range of movement in one plain ( 15 degrees to one side if there is no fore/aft movement) … Do you live in Liverpool as they have nicked your wheels last night! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 Finally bit the bullet and started building my hydraulic press. If nothing else, it should test my welds! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I doubt you have anything to worry about with those welds! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 Not much of an update, Ive been sorting and researching various bits and bobs, chipping away at my press build. Given the cylinder size (50 tonne), the press width, and my beam size, it was pointed out to me that bending would not likely be a problem, but the shear capacity of the web could be borderline when the cylinder is trammed over to one side. I have added a 6mm web, somewhat following the resultant force line. There are still some other issues to deal with due to my design of the press structure, but these will be resolved as I get to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Wow welding porn I can only dream of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, missingsid said: Wow welding porn I can only dream of. Thanks mate, but average at best when compared to the real deal. It’s not my day job so going ok I guess you should check out some of the trophy truck builders. Heaps on Instagram. Simply incredible workmanship. While F1 and aerospace have long moved onto different construction methods, these guys rival or better similar work I’ve seen done on previous F1 or high end cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 hours ago, uninformed said: Not much of an update, Ive been sorting and researching various bits and bobs, chipping away at my press build. Given the cylinder size (50 tonne), the press width, and my beam size, it was pointed out to me that bending would not likely be a problem, but the shear capacity of the web could be borderline when the cylinder is trammed over to one side. I have added a 6mm web, somewhat following the resultant force line. There are still some other issues to deal with due to my design of the press structure, but these will be resolved as I get to them. That looks great! Think we need a press build thread too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, landroversforever said: That looks great! Think we need a press build thread too When I get more of the components fabricated I’ll post something up in the tool section 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I may have missed it, but not sure what you mean by following the resultant force? Also don't understand the logic of the "in then out" line of the additional web member? I think you may get some undesired lateral movement when loading that section at midspan due to its asymmetric nature - it may want to twist which could cause some surprises! Are you planning on sandwiching the jack between 2 of these members? That is often the approach I have seen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 hours ago, bishbosh said: I may have missed it, but not sure what you mean by following the resultant force? Also don't understand the logic of the "in then out" line of the additional web member? I think you may get some undesired lateral movement when loading that section at midspan due to its asymmetric nature - it may want to twist which could cause some surprises! Are you planning on sandwiching the jack between 2 of these members? That is often the approach I have seen? In short, yes. (To everything you stated lol) The cylinder will be supported by two beams (one either side) , the work table (adjustable in height) will be the same design and beams, that’s why I need 4 of them. Most hydraulic presses have the cylinder sandwiched by two beams of sorts, if PFCs are used (Parallel Flange Chanel) , which I am, then the common practice is to have the frame uprights attached to the webs (PFC orientation is toe out) . Due to locational restraints, I’m attaching my uprights to the outside of the PFCs, hence the flat bar welded in the ends. This is not ideal structurally, but it allows more room between the uprights to pass jobs through. The added webs are bent and from centre are going outward because looking at the set up from above (plan view) gives the force line going from the cylinder outwards to the four mounting points, like a X. Yes there is definitely twist or torsion to deal with. There will be crossmembers on each end between the beams to deal with this. Boxing the PFC in parallel would have made it more symmetrical but I need clearance on the flange for bearings to run so I can tram the cylinder left and right. It will become more obvious when I get the components together, and as said I’ll flick up a thread in the tool section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Makes more sense now! Looking forwards to seeing it develop….😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 Thought I’d give the grinding and welding a rest this arvo and do some different grinding…. CV blueprinting (stress relieving) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 Slow couple of weeks but finally they are all done! back to fabrication…. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Niice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 Well not quite back to fabrication…. between finishing families renovations and maintenance, doing annual servicing on OPE all I’ve managed is cleaning my diff hemispheres ready for CW&P change. Going from factory 3.54 to Ashcroft 3.75. Unfortunately i didn’t like the washers I had for my ARP bolts so it’s about a 8 week wait from my supplier… not like I have nothing else to do though lol. I picked up a couple 94’ D1 Rover type centres. I like these because they have the extra thickening at all housing stud holes yet retain the earlier carrier bearing caps. My diff jig I built a while back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B reg 90 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I like your diff holder!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 I like the detail in the form of a grease nipple on the very nice diff holder!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 14 hours ago, B reg 90 said: I like your diff holder!! 1 hour ago, Carloz said: I like the detail in the form of a grease nipple on the very nice diff holder!!! Cheers 👍 the grease nipple is as much for corrosion as for lubrication. Where I live raw steel rusts fast. I sprayed all the outer with clear, but no point doing the shaft or tube as it would wear off quickly. I just pumped it with grease 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) Well not much to update really (unfortunately things don't always go to plan). Now you might be wondering how did I go from chassis fabrication to diffs to seats, with these unfinished and everything in between not done lol. There is some method to my madness ( I think....). Generally Ill be doing something which means removing a part or going into my storage of bits, then I usually come across some other particular bit and start to think about where that is headed...I also know I need to order lots and lots of parts, the vehicle is 23 years old after all. In truth I had started the seats refurbishment before I took the 110 off the road. I bought another drivers seat and removed the passenger to do them at the same time. I hate rust!!...I REALLY, REALLY HATE RUST!!! My seat base and frames had started to rust, in part because of where I live, in part because of my lifestyle and in part because of their design and finish. So I set about to rectify that. I drilled holes for drainage and pulled apart what bits I could and had them hot dipped galvanised. The seat rails I drilled out the indented stops and on reassembly replaced with rivets. i had to buy the next size down ball bearing due to the loss of clearance from the zinc. I really wanted to do the backrest and mechanism but due to its moving parts and assembly (welds done after bits have been assembled) I was unable to strip it down with the ability to reassemble after Gal. Sure it could be done, but required a LOT of work and probably some equipment I don't have. Well on one of my distracting bits and bobs search, I came across the box of unassembled parts and remembered only assembling one seat (It is also fully refoamed and retrimed sans the head rest). Being as I wasn't happy with the conditions where they were, I figured id finalise the second........wasn't I wrong! lol. It turned out the second drivers seat I had bought was slightly different (not much in it but enough) and that put a end to that. Luckily I had not thrown out my original, so out came the rule and drill bits. I also pulled apart the head rests and thankfully they can be left alone and just galvanised. I have a crate of bits to be Gal'd and there will be more as well so its not the end of the world. Bits about ready to go together (only to find out that base frame is not suitable) Passenger seat assembled and ready for retrimming. Drivers seat base frame drilled and ready for a quick prep before it goes of to Gal with other parts One of the head rest frames. These will be fine as is to go to Gal. Edited December 31, 2021 by uninformed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninformed Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 In true form I had been starting to think about shock mounting, which lead to looking at the inner guards which lead to looking at the bulkhead, and the "oh yep I really need to start a parts order" quickly became "I wont think of everything, so just bloody order anything I can think of"... Bulkhead grommets, washer/wiper bits, lights, door locks... It mostly pays to order more than less with regards to shipping and being on the other side of the planet. Though I do think LRDirect took the tiddle a bit. I can say that Bryan from DesignDevelopemnt Engineering was very helpful! Now while its probably years before I need this stuff, there are many reasons to order - To break up the cost over the build. LR parts only go up in price or become unavailable. To have on hand when needed (who wants to wait when we finally get to the good part of the build) Christmas goodies 😃 LRDirect DesignDevelopment Engineering - beautifully made bits that should last (rather than the usual plastic and pressed metal junk!) LEDs from Amazon. NSLumo branded, no idea of quality but have the look that I'm after (well partly, as ill be doing some 95mm NAS size lights as well , inspired by SIII NAS vehicles) Gywn Lewis still waiting on my JohnCraddock order, not even sure if its left yet...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 It’s all looking lovely - the seats frames are fantastic. I really like the design engineering stuff - just SO expensive … I understand why, but the understanding doesn’t deepen my wallet 😂 Craddocks seem to be building a reputation for accepting orders and payments on things they don’t yet have in stock, and being poor at communicating, so you might need to be patient with that part of your order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Some serious attention to detail and quality here... and then I see a Britpart box??? Say it ain't so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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