Anderzander Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 JLR are making another batch of V8 Defenders .... for £190k this time https://www.topgear.com/car-news/revealed-new-old-land-rover-defender-v8-trophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 At least you don't have to colour match replacements for the bonnet and rear door when they get nicked. Though that would never happen, these will never get parked outside. I would like it better without the plastic A bar, and is it me or has it been lowered a small amount? Defenders just do not sit well with the wheels crammed up into the arches, there's something else "off" about it. The 5 secs to 60 is truly impressive, definitely can appreciate the hilarity of that in a car that isn't in any other way trying to be a sports car like those Kahn/Chelsea Truck Co abortions. I just think they should have gone full Camel spec and not tried to update it visually, the worst parts of it are the "modern" accessories. Also would be better without the stickers, for £200k they couldn't even licence the Camel Trophy name? Better none at all than invent a Mickey mouse fictional event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Wonder where they're getting the donor vehicles from? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Are new Defender sales that bad JLR are testing the water to bring back the old one ?? Probably not, just cashing in on the now ludicrous old Defender prices Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: Wonder where they're getting the donor vehicles from? Old Sodbury! 😂. They’re probably vehicles that were part exchanged for other models at franchised dealers over the last couple of years. I imagine they bought up a fair bit of old stock, nervous about the new model’s reception, a bit like how they continued RRC production some time after starting sales of the P38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, ThreePointFive said: At least you don't have to colour match replacements for the bonnet and rear door when they get nicked. Though that would never happen, these will never get parked outside. I would like it better without the plastic A bar, and is it me or has it been lowered a small amount? Defenders just do not sit well with the wheels crammed up into the arches, there's something else "off" about it. The 5 secs to 60 is truly impressive, definitely can appreciate the hilarity of that in a car that isn't in any other way trying to be a sports car like those Kahn/Chelsea Truck Co abortions. I just think they should have gone full Camel spec and not tried to update it visually, the worst parts of it are the "modern" accessories. Also would be better without the stickers, for £200k they couldn't even licence the Camel Trophy name? Better none at all than invent a Mickey mouse fictional event. I agree. I’d much prefer a proper Camel Trophy vehicle, or even a very faithful replica, to this. It does look wrong. I think you’re right that most will sit in garages and secure lockups as investments, unused. Road tax is going to cost a fortune on these, though I suppose that is of little concern to those who can blow £190k plus another £38k vat and god knows what else on other costs to register one. I know the engine and transmission are much higher spec, but I can’t see this being anything other than insanity, the vat alone costing 35% more than the base vehicle cost new in the highest spec. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, ThreePointFive said: Also would be better without the stickers, for £200k they couldn't even licence the Camel Trophy name? Better none at all than invent a Mickey mouse fictional event. Probably not allowed with the whole tobacco advertising ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 They have to keep regurgitating Defenders and the RRC as they don't have any Land Rovers to sell any more and thier brand is slipping - surprised they missed the opportunity to launch a 30th anniversary Disco 1 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Snagger said: Road tax is going to cost a fortune on these, though I suppose that is of little concern to those who can blow £190k plus another £38k vat and god knows what else on other costs to register one. I know the engine and transmission are much higher spec, but I can’t see this being anything other than insanity, the vat alone costing 35% more than the base vehicle cost new in the highest spec. They'll be like the previous V8 works cars, they'll be the same to tax and 'same year' as the original car that was bought to be converted. So they'll keep the original chassis (5), Axles (2) and Steering assembly (2) for sure, giving them 9 points. From memory they'd also keep the suspension as that's I believe to do with 'type' rather than the individual OEM components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Have to say I quite like it. I'd looks a bit naked without a snorkel on it, but I can see why they wouldn't want the V8 sucking through a straw, and I'd probably want the bonnet and rear door the same colour as the rest of the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Ludicrous in the extreme and sadly will be the preserve of the wealthy, but I’d still have one if I could afford it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Hunter Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Where is the raised air intake that TopGear mention? Some pikey nicked it already? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Wonder if they've done something raised vs a standard defender, but still under the bonnet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cackshifter Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I'd say the roll cage was a sensible addition. Interesting, it says they are on 16" steel wheels which do look Wolfy, but they have brake upgrades - I wonder what they are. Previously bigger brakes meant 18" wheels. Maybe a misprint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northwards Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Astonishing price for what it is. Is there something odd about the rear crossmember? It strikes me as quite shallow somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Northwards said: Astonishing price for what it is. Is there something odd about the rear crossmember? It strikes me as quite shallow somehow? If you're more familar with the earlier crossmembers with the little tabs, they can make the later type with the hidden brackets a bit shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, cackshifter said: I'd say the roll cage was a sensible addition. Interesting, it says they are on 16" steel wheels which do look Wolfy, but they have brake upgrades - I wonder what they are. Previously bigger brakes meant 18" wheels. Maybe a misprint? Kingsley Cars have a 6-pot brake upgrade which fits under the standard RR rostyle steels... guess anything is doable with that kind of budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northwards Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, landroversforever said: If you're more familar with the earlier crossmembers with the little tabs, they can make the later type with the hidden brackets a bit shallow. It must be something like that - a little optical illusion - mine does have those tabs. That, and the fact that mine has an NAS step and towball attached. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 12 hours ago, landroversforever said: Kingsley Cars have a 6-pot brake upgrade which fits under the standard RR rostyle steels... guess anything is doable with that kind of budget My 109 runs 310mm Wilwood discs & 4-pot callipers, I could bolt more pots on but it's already got more braking than grip , it all fits inside a wolf rim nicely (but not a modular, ask me how I know). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I can think of other things I would rather sink 190k into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 The other year I went on a tour of Prodrives facility. What amazed me were the number of cars they looked after. These were rare cars (sometimes race cars). Clearly bought as investments. They weren't driven or used or anything like that. Just maintained and stored. So that the owner could sell them on and probably make money down the line. I suspect these new Defenders probably fall into that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Given that 190k is similar to how much you could spend on a new RR or a Bentley or something I know which I'd have if I was that minted. Don't blame LR for selling these any more than the factory-restored Series 1's and 2-door RR's they're turning out for 100k+, it's a good low-volume high-value business using British engineering skills even if we all think it's ridiculous money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 A house would be a much better use of the cash, and is at least less likely to depreciate. You can’t drive a house though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThreePointFive Posted February 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, Retroanaconda said: You can’t drive a house though Yeah you can. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I could - perhaps - give houseroom to a New [old] Defender - but I'd want a van-bodied 90 and would insist on the silly attention-attracting 'adventure' accessories [roll-cage/roofrack/lights/A-bar/winch] being deleted, it being repainted in base white, and fitted with 117MPH road-rated tyres. I never want to attract attention. You can blat a clean-but-boring-looking Land-Rover down a motorway at 80MPH and the Volkspolizei don't turn a hair; do the same in something that looks like it's a low-rent refugee from Tomb Raider and you can guarantee to see blue-lights in your mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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