smallfry Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/765593287787331/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I guess the customer pulled out because there is no way a company would build that on spec. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 It’s hideous and 250k !? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Outstanding design/engineering/workmanship. I hate it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 The thing that disappoints me most is how much space is wasted in that timber frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Nicely crafted but the end result looks like a cross between an Airstream trailer / caravan and a boat. With all that timber I wonder what it weighs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Advert states just over 2.5t all in so far (including vehicle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 9 hours ago, ThreePointFive said: Outstanding design/engineering/workmanship. I hate it. Exactly my thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Seems like it’s there first one with a view to building them on commission. https://www.duckworthoverland.com/?fbclid=IwAR31K1--qjEB49YSok38tEkoA3c-ljR8GLmv6-oHzx5pYWktsJgTZuUAlWY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Happyoldgit said: Nicely crafted but the end result looks like a cross between an Airstream trailer / caravan and a boat. With all that timber I wonder what it weighs? That timber frame is what they call a "Buck". Its a pattern to form all the panels, which must touch all over to get a smooth and consistent shape. It is not used on the finished vehicle. This is how they make all low volume aluminium bodied cars, like AC Cobras etc. If you look at the other pics you can see the aircraft type frames that the finished panels are fixed to. Very nicely done and finished, but so much wasted space, and so much money. It has a novelty value, but is not at all attractive IMO, and whats with the dash ? Looks like its been painted with Hammerite ! Even with my new Euromillions jackpot, I still wouldnt pay that ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Can't see why they didn't build it on a decent chassis cab - something American I'm thinking that 2.5 tonnes may be a hopefull weight I do like the concept though - I've fancied an airstream for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 For those not on FB can someone post pictures / screenshot the horror? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mickeyw Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Hmmm... the craftsmanship looks excellent. Alas not all works of art are practical or beautiful, but they do tend to be on the expensive side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: For those not on FB can someone post pictures / screenshot the horror? Its not so much a horror, but the practicality and the price ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 hours ago, smallfry said: That timber frame is what they call a "Buck". Its a pattern to form all the panels, which must touch all over to get a smooth and consistent shape. It is not used on the finished vehicle. This is how they make all low volume aluminium bodied cars, like AC Cobras etc. If you look at the other pics you can see the aircraft type frames that the finished panels are fixed to. Very nicely done and finished, but so much wasted space, and so much money. It has a novelty value, but is not at all attractive IMO, and whats with the dash ? Looks like its been painted with Hammerite ! Even with my new Euromillions jackpot, I still wouldnt pay that ! Indeed but I was referring to the interior lining not the buck. I admire the craftsmanship but like you I wouldn't buy it ... congratulations on your win BTW 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Anderzander said: Seems like it’s there first one with a view to building them on commission. https://www.duckworthoverland.com/?fbclid=IwAR31K1--qjEB49YSok38tEkoA3c-ljR8GLmv6-oHzx5pYWktsJgTZuUAlWY Gulp....£350,000 Base Price! The £250k one is obviously a bargain! I'm a bit dubious about the 2.5 Ton weight. A 130 Chassis cab is quoted as 2130kg unlaiden weight. 380kg for the pod on the back seems optimistic to me. Maybe that's the weight of just the shell without the interior? It's a nice bit of craftsmanship - but not the prettiest camper or Defender I've seen! It would look better on a more rounded vehicle. The angular defender jars with the rounded pod - to me anyway! I guess they've done market research on both the pod, vehicle and price point - I wish them well with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, simonr said: I'm a bit dubious about the 2.5 Ton weight. A 130 Chassis cab is quoted as 2130kg unlaiden weight. 380kg for the pod on the back seems optimistic to me. Our ambulance is 2.8t with the conversion, and that's a big square box with a similar level of gear as the one pictured (bed, fridge, etc.). 2.5t seems optimistic, especially for a diesel with wood panelling, but perhaps almost achievable with the number of speed holes they put in those internal braces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said: but perhaps almost achievable with the number of speed holes they put in those internal braces Not necessarily speed holes but those flared holes will allow thinner material to be used whilst being stronger than a thicker material, plus having the nice bonus of weight reduction to boot. Most people have a notion that aluminium structures are lighter than the steel ones - only if you're willing to sacrifice rigidity or get creative with bracing and increasing the rigidity / strength in other ways. Those flanged / dimple died holes are one simple and very effective way of doing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simonr Posted July 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ed Poore said: Most people have a notion that aluminium structures are lighter than the steel ones - only if you're willing to sacrifice rigidity or get creative with bracing and increasing the rigidity / strength in other ways. Those flanged / dimple died holes are one simple and very effective way of doing it. I suspect they're there more because they look good. The weight saving by adding holes in the ribs, compared to the outer shell is trivial. I find that if you add loads of holes to something, people assume it's technical & it makes it look like you know what you're doing. I add lots of holes to things to make it look like I know what I'm doing! 😉 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Not denying that in this instance but they're used extensively in aircraft frames - but they also serve a very useful purpose of being able to run wiring, hydraulics and such through the holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, simonr said: It's a nice bit of craftsmanship - but not the prettiest camper or Defender I've seen! It would look better on a more rounded vehicle. The angular defender jars with the rounded pod - to me anyway! 1948 GM Cabover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Ed Poore said: Not necessarily speed holes but those flared holes will allow thinner material to be used whilst being stronger than a thicker material, plus having the nice bonus of weight reduction to boot. True enough, but I'm not sure the level that they've gone to town with the simple-die in that camper is really paying for itself compared to a much simpler construction... shaving a few kilos out of the frame and then wood-panelling the inside is sort of counter-productive, especially given the number of man-hours that must've taken. Much like Simonr I'm not averse to the odd bit of dimple-die tarting about... this for instance definitely adds about 10bhp and makes my rear lights 4.7% brighter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 What else would £350k buy you in the camper world ? Quite a thing I would think … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Anderzander said: What else would £350k buy you in the camper world ? A lot of 5-star hotel stays + a chauffeur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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