steve b Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 If it's worth doing, do properly and once. Knowing the commitment required to see something of this scale though to the finish I can see both your tension and the barely held in anticipation of driving it . I hope you have many great trips in this soon to be better than factory build Love the colour too. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 17 hours ago, Snagger said: Most youngsters’ first cars bear no resemblance these days to the old bangers most of us had to coax back to road worthiness. That is no bad thing for their safety, but it does mean that they miss out learning how to fix them and on the bond that can be formed with cars. Also shows how cars have come on - my daily is a Mini that's old enough to vote and it's still solid, reliable, and comfy (and hilariously quick). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 It is a little sad that the modern “first car” experience renders the Madness song “I like driving in my car” incomprehensible. 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snagger Posted December 1, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2023 The workshop bosses agreed to a slow down last month to help with cash flow (I had to help buy my father and my son a car each, plus the costs of a trip to Japan with my wife - I’m posting this from Tokyo), but have pressed on with some work regardless, presumably to avoid damage to parts, clear a bit more worship space and maybe other customers are behind at this time of year too. Anyway, the engine and transmission are in with just a small amount of plumbing remaining to complete them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Very Nice ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snagger Posted January 9 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 9 Just been for a visit this morning. They are now getting their interior trim guys to start looking at the seats, carpets and the boot GRP trim sections. I’m hoping they can restore the original seat fabric with unstitching, rebinding to the substrate and re-stitching. They seemed a bit unsure about reusing the front carpets because of the flattening from heels behind the pedals, but I don’t think it’s that bad. My concerns are more for the boot GRB boxes and parcel shelf - the flocking looks terrible. I know new flocking is easy to apply, but only if they can get the old flocking off, and I have no idea how easy or difficult that is. It might be possible to leave paint stripper to dissolve the glue and then wash down, but if it needs abrasion, that’d be a horrible and slow job. The Guilietta Spyder is getting nearer completion. They have a few more TR5s and 6s in, another E-Type and a DB5 recently turned up. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The vehicle will look stunning, such a lovely colour. Having just been involved with a contracted out rebuild of a relatively new 110, with a good bit of discount and goodwill from the garage (due to the customer being a charity), the final bill inc VAT was ~60k that included new chassis and engine, 2 rear wings/painting, and a lot of other small bits. I've been making enquires for a basic chassis swap on a D2 which are coming in between 10-15k inc chassis. I don't want to be as crass as to blatantly ask how much this is costing, but considering there's a good few man hours going into body repairs and painting etc of your RRC, are we in the same ballparks if extrapolated out as what I've outlined above. I honestly don't mean to pry, I just find it really useful to be able to quantify what something like this costs in real world, and how much you can "save" by doing something yourself - or paying out to save yourself burning your own hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 It is horrifying, but quality costs and you can see the nature of the work they do. It has passed 70k and that doesn’t include the Turner Engineering Tdi rebuild ten years ago or the 3.5k at Ashcroft. Including those, I think it’s going to pass 90. 🫣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Snagger said: It is horrifying, but quality costs and you can see the nature of the work they do. It has passed 70k and that doesn’t include the Turner Engineering Tdi rebuild ten years ago or the 3.5k at Ashcroft. Including those, I think it’s going to pass 90. 🫣 Wow, would be nice to have that sort means... However, credit to you for doing it and not shying away from the outlay, the benefit being you will end up with a fantastic, historic vehicle Very impressed Regards Stephen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeFreezer Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Stellaghost said: Wow, would be nice to have that sort means... Have to say if I had the money I'd probably sooner spend it on something like this than a brand new whatever costing a similar amount. Given you can spec almost anything JLR make or a Grenadier up to this price or beyond, I suspect this RRC will outlive them all. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Snagger said: It has passed 70k and that doesn’t include the Turner Engineering Tdi rebuild ten years ago or the 3.5k at Ashcroft. Including those, I think it’s going to pass 90. 🫣 that doesn't surprise me , my Eurover project (not even close to being the same standard) , hit the 15.000 mark , doing all the work myself (including the engine rebuid etc) and a long way from being finished .... but the good side , you end up with a fantastic classic car ! Edited January 9 by hurbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, FridgeFreezer said: I suspect this RRC will outlive them all. I guess you could call this Range Rover immortal, it's starting it's second life...... Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 50 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said: Have to say if I had the money I'd probably sooner spend it on something like this than a brand new whatever costing a similar amount. Given you can spec almost anything JLR make or a Grenadier up to this price or beyond, I suspect this RRC will outlive them all. It's a thought I've had rather often, having spent that on a new car. But on the other hand, you also end up with a car that isn't allowed into many LEZs (disregarding the use of those), and has low parts availability. Plus, for me personally, a vehicle of that price is only really attainable as a company car, and no way that would fly with a rebuilt RRC. On the other hand, I probably should've put half of that money into my P38 and been better off. Maybe. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 @ Maverick : ""I've been making enquires for a basic chassis swap on a D2 which are coming in between 10-15k inc chassis. Have a look on ""chassiswissel.nl Cheaper to go to Holland, have done there and drive back by the sound of it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Doing the chassis swap on my 90 soon added up. Even intending to minimise what else was done I ended up putting all new bushes in, engine mounts, brake lines, then the new chassis cost, dinitrol, a few other ‘whilst you are in there’ things and it was about £6k. The 80” took some money to get done… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Thanks for the figures Snagger. I know some don’t like to talk about money, but I’ve always been curious to know the ball park figures for something like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, Stellaghost said: Wow, would be nice to have that sort means... However, credit to you for doing it and not shying away from the outlay, the benefit being you will end up with a fantastic, historic vehicle Very impressed Regards Stephen It would be, and I don’t really have them. It has gone well beyond the anticipated rough estimate and I wouldn’t have done if I had known. Cash flow is a problem now. It’s being done right, and will be worth a fair bit, but the value may be less than the cost. I have seen quite a few restomod RRCs sell for 150k or more, and this will cost considerably less than that, but high end restorations are very costly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 10 hours ago, elbekko said: It's a thought I've had rather often, having spent that on a new car. But on the other hand, you also end up with a car that isn't allowed into many LEZs (disregarding the use of those), and has low parts availability. Plus, for me personally, a vehicle of that price is only really attainable as a company car, and no way that would fly with a rebuilt RRC. On the other hand, I probably should've put half of that money into my P38 and been better off. Maybe. Who knows. There isn’t much shortage of parts for RRCs, and it’s getting ever better except for things like original spec seat fabric for retrim. Michelin have even started remaking the 205/80 X M+S (the original spec tyre). As for ULEZ, cars over 40 are exempt, so that will come. In the mean time, I avoid a car overburdened with pointless complexity and will avoid significant depreciation. So, I think it is better than spending a similar amount on a modern car - at least this should be very reliable given the build quality, unlike a new RR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 12 hours ago, hurbie said: that doesn't surprise me , my Eurover project (not even close to being the same standard) , hit the 15.000 mark , doing all the work myself (including the engine rebuid etc) and a long way from being finished .... but the good side , you end up with a fantastic classic car ! My 109 cost a bit over 10k with the new chassis, rebuilding the entire mechanicals, a panel by panel respray and all the mods. You save a vast amount of money doing it yourself, and while the paint on the chassis and axles might not be as pretty, you can still get a tidy and long lasting result. Gear boxes are hard to do yourself, and I wouldn’t be able to refurbish the original trim with separating the fabric layers, rebinding and restitching, but fitting new cloth from suppliers like Exmoor or Nationwide is simple enough. I just don’t have the access to this car and I’m getting older - my back probably wouldn’t tolerate the work of two project vehicles now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I would have been happy to never know the cost of this, but I also understand the reasons for asking. I don't want to make some trite, obvious statement but for me, what else could be had for the money is irrelevant as it is about achieving this specific goal. You'll have a better-than-new RRC at the end of it, built exactly how you want it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 And as they say … the quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 26 minutes ago, Anderzander said: And as they say … the quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 7 hours ago, Anderzander said: And as they say … the quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten. 7 hours ago, ThreePointFive said: I would have been happy to never know the cost of this, but I also understand the reasons for asking. I don't want to make some trite, obvious statement but for me, what else could be had for the money is irrelevant as it is about achieving this specific goal. You'll have a better-than-new RRC at the end of it, built exactly how you want it. That is how I’m consoling my self! 🫣. That, and the knowledge that, barring any major accidents, it’ll be passed down to my daughter and she’ll get to enjoy it too (my son loves the 109 and will inherit that). In all honesty, quality costs, but this car should last the rest of my life, as my 109 was intended to, and so becomes financially viable when looked at through a lens of not facing depreciation and significant repair costs on a string of other vehicles. I will, however, need a cheap sh..box for commuting when I come back to the UK - I’m not leaving this in an airport staff car park! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It will be something very special when completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snagger Posted February 19 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 19 A few recent photos. The wiper mechanism and Wabco power brake pump had both seized up, but they stripped and rebuilt both. It’s all getting closer. The interior trim is being sent for valeting next week and then we can work out what to do about the flocking on the boot panels and the fabric on the front seat bases (where the cloth has unstuck from the backing fabric). 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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