mickeyw Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 ....And positively fugly from others. Some interesting and potentially useful features if they actually work. But it's a tonne heavier than a L405 Range Rover https://carnewschina.com/2023/09/20/byds-yangwang-u8-launched-can-float-on-water-for-30-minutes-and-sail-3km-h/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Can't help but giggle like a child told not to laugh in class when I read the name 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Looks like the result of a misalliance between a new Defender and pretty much any large American SUV... Range on electric only sounds mediocre, but total range (1000km) with only 75l of fuel and a full electric charge is pretty impressive for something that big. I can see the logic to opening the sunroof as an escape route in emergency float mode, but I'm just picturing someone going a bit deep in flood water (and accompanying torrential rain) as they state it's meant for... Hope the inevitable camera phone is deployed at the time... 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Crikey 😲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Sounds like they've been taking Elongated Muskrat's wild PR boasts about the Cybertruck at face value and trying to emulate them - floating through a flood in a Chinese EV does not sound like something the legal department would sign off as a recommended use case 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 The only good think about that is the four independent motors, copying Rivian. Other than that, claiming it floats, well so do other unflushable turds. If it does manage to float, then they will just add to the hazards in the flooding cities throughout eastern China. The safety systems won’t work, the electrics will be lethal and warranties will never be honoured. More Chinese sh**. I don’t know why anybody considers their products other than price, but most of us are aware of buy cheap, buy twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 The 360-degree turn skid steer is impressive though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, Daan said: The 360-degree turn skid steer is impressive though! Rivian initially promised that too, but then dropped it as they knew it’d break a lot of parts. I expect the same here, or an immediate voiding or the warranty if you use it, for what little the warranty would have been honoured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Snagger said: Rivian initially promised that too, but then dropped it as they knew it’d break a lot of parts. Ah I did wonder how they were going to live with the number of people who'd be doing skid-steer donuts in every McDonalds car park and ripping all the bushings out / killing all the driveshafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 6:07 AM, Snagger said: Other than that, claiming it floats, well so do other unflushable turds. LOL! Sounds extremely narrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoSS Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 6:02 PM, Daan said: The 360-degree turn skid steer is impressive though! Poor tyres, and i would not be trying that on my tarmac drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeFreezer Posted October 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2023 19 hours ago, HoSS said: Poor tyres, and i would not be trying that on my tarmac drive. Chinese ditchfinder tyres probably don't grip enough to cause problems 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 So much negativity! It looks like this is a real vehicle that will be for sale very soon (but maybe only in China for a while?). It's conceptually the way things are going in the world and, if the specs are true, actually overcomes some of the anxiety about electric cars. Yes, it's ugly but only because it looks like the new Defender, which is also ugly. Who cares? We are all getting used to the new Defender and, quite possibly, the Chinese market could find it gorgeous! Rather than mocking something like this, we should worry. The technological advantage is being taken away from Land Rover and the modern take on "luxury" is no longer the Range Rover domain. This thing could easily spawn a cheaper version which would comfortably outsell the new Defender. The Chinese aren't idiots and not everything they make is rubbish. Check out how well the GWM Tank does, for example. That float mode may seem like a gimmick but it hints at very high manufacturing tolerances. Not to be sneezed at. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Europe are panicking about the invasion of cheap Chinese EVs, so much so they have flexed their cartel muscles and added massive import duties to them. It's like one big protection racket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeFreezer Posted October 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: Europe are panicking about the invasion of cheap Chinese EVs, so much so they have flexed their cartel muscles and added massive import duties to them. It's like one big protection racket. On one hand yes it is - but on the other hand, a country with a dictatorial government and very poor labour laws willing to undercut everyone else at almost any cost / detriment to our own region just so we can have slightly cheaper stuff may not be in everyone's best long-term interests. A bit how cosying up to Mr Putin for cheap fuel panned out great for everyone in the long run. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I absolutely wasn't condoning it, both administrations are equally culpable in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 19 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: Chinese ditchfinder tyres 🤣🤣 I think it's good that a car with some different ideas has actually made it to market. I've found it dissappointing how little EV's in particular have shaken up the market. Almost all of them look like ICE cars, when there's so much potential to do things differently. The layout of ICE cars was determined largely by the drive-train. An EV doesn't need to be constrained the same way. Tesla have some decent innovation, packaged in a car that looks like a Ford Mondeo with a trim kit. I was hoping for something that looks like it's driven off a SciFi movie set! 😅 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I can see a lot of project potential in the slightly larger stuff: https://www.theautopian.com/heres-how-harbinger-and-thor-industries-plan-to-change-camping-with-motorhomes-thatll-go-around-250-miles-on-a-charge/ An electric truck rolling chassis that you can build whatever you want on (Bollinger are also pausing their boxy pickup to build actual trucks) is pretty interesting. I'm guessing as more EV's end up in scrapyards we'll see people stripping the "skateboard" and putting new bodies on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snagger Posted October 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2023 15 hours ago, Bowie69 said: Europe are panicking about the invasion of cheap Chinese EVs, so much so they have flexed their cartel muscles and added massive import duties to them. It's like one big protection racket. Chinese manufacturers are given a huge advantage by non-existent labour safety regulation, low wages and slavery, encouragement of IP theft and fraud. a callous disregard for pollution and environmental damage, utter disdain for consumer safety and enormous amounts of bankrolling by the CCP. There is no way they could compete on a level playing field. They should be banned from selling anything in the UK and EU at all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmmv Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Can you even drive one of those things (Yangwang thang) on a UK car licence; they seem to weigh over 3.5 tonnes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, fmmv said: Can you even drive one of those things (Yangwang thang) on a UK car licence; they seem to weigh over 3.5 tonnes? Hummer EV still taking the cake and the cheeseburger on that one by a full ton: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-gmc-hummer-ev-pickup-edition-1-weight-official/ Canyonero! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Talking of Chinese electric cars... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620 Obviously, nothing yet on what actually went wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, geoffbeaumont said: Talking of Chinese electric cars... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620 Obviously, nothing yet on what actually went wrong. TBH given how many cars are mostly fly-by-wire these days I'd suggest it's not an EV thing but just a "modern car" thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said: TBH given how many cars are mostly fly-by-wire these days I'd suggest it's not an EV thing but just a "modern car" thing. True - but it is a quality issue (and not specifically a Chinese one either). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, geoffbeaumont said: True - but it is a quality issue (and not specifically a Chinese one either). Absolutely - anecdotally manufacturers seem to be getting VERY slapdash these days with electronics & software and it's likely to take a few grizzly deaths before they are forced to change. And that's ignoring the whole self-driving nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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