ROGUE TROOPER Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Got me thinking while designing another project............. .........why not use a M10 Hex bolt and when tightened bang a slug into the hex head? Ok it will be a pain in the butt to get it off but it will be a lot better than loosing a bumper and winch! Or better still cut the cone off a locking wheel nut and use that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Humphreys Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Just put a blob of weld on the end of the bolts for the bumper. As for the winch, tack weld the bolt heads when the winch in on. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige90 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yep, weld the bolts up. It's going to be a fecker for me to get off if I have to but I'm willing to live with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrover Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I thought it was bad idea welding bolts, as they're tempered and as such welding only makes them weaker...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4444244 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 you could try these http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.js...51&id=13907 Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Humphreys Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I thought it was bad idea welding bolts, as they're tempered and as such welding only makes them weaker...? Yes, but you are not welding as suce, just a blob of weld to the bolt turning so not much heat. You could always put the weld next to the bolt head just to stop it turning. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Got me thinking while designing another project......................why not use a M10 Hex bolt and when tightened bang a slug into the hex head? Ok it will be a pain in the butt to get it off but it will be a lot better than loosing a bumper and winch! Or better still cut the cone off a locking wheel nut and use that! Bear in mind that one of those "emergency locking wheel nut removal tools" that are available in most motor factors will have those off just as quick as if you had ordinary hex head bolts on it! Another reason why locking wheels nuts are a waste of money these days...... I reckon you'd be best off using pan head tamper proof Torx screws these days - not many thieves carry a set of torx bits round with them! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasmic Farmer Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 On a recent cahallenge event in which we worked in teams of 2 trucks we had to change a rear 8274 housing on one truck for a front one on the other in order to keep competing. Just something to bear in mind before making the thing TOO tamper proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Easiest way....fit anderson plugs remove the winches when you don't need them during the week etc, fit four bolts and plug them in when you want them for the weekend/event etc We all know how quick you can remove a 8274 with a battery rattle gun and a pair of big snips It don't take 2 mins to remove them yourself and keep them safe, and the UV of yer Plasma (other Synthetic ropes are available ).....but you lose the pose factor This would suit me as I only use the truck for playing , but might not suit everyone depending on winch type and mount + on a event it makes swapping front to rear dead easy should it pack up......taps fingers waiting for Hydraulic peeps to pipe up ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobtail Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Easiest way....fit anderson plugs remove the winches when you don't need them during the week etc, fit four bolts and plug them in when you want them for the weekend/event etcWe all know how quick you can remove a 8274 with a battery rattle gun and a pair of big snips It don't take 2 mins to remove them yourself and keep them safe, and the UV of yer Plasma (other Synthetic ropes are available ).....but you lose the pose factor This would suit me as I only use the truck for playing , but might not suit everyone depending on winch type and mount + on a event it makes swapping front to rear dead easy should it pack up......taps fingers waiting for Hydraulic peeps to pipe up ! Thats probably the best idea for me.................Takes away temptation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoggy Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 The security nuts in the link above will do the job if you wish to fit permanently, but make sure when fitting that they run home on the thread easily before applying any pressure. I've known plenty of these snap the heads off before they have tightened up. demountable is a good idea and as stated could then be used front or rear. Hydraulic winches.......well you can get hydraulic pipe quick connectors too, so again could be demountable. howevery they may be a little on the heavy side to be handled easily from front to back on a muddy challange event! Nigel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Heavy? I was surprised at how light my Milemarker is, but then it's not full of copper in one end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 By a strange coincidence, last week I had a meeting with a chap who runs a security fastening company in Sussex. I had an idea for an anti-tamper nut a while back. My prototype sat on my desk for a couple of months and then I thought I'd see if a grown up was interested in manufacturing & selling them under license - to my surprise, he was! They were designed for this very purpose and are easily removable with a special tool. Unlike most of the competition, you cannot remove them by hammering in a screwdriver, nor using stilsons and are fairly grinder resistant. Best of all however, they will handle very high torques. The prototype stripped an M8 thread - and I dare say it could do the same to M10 without sustaining any damage. Watch this space as they say! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameslwt Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 You could always fit an H14 PTO Superwinch - it's so heavy, especially when on the bumper, that I think they'd have fun trying to remove it quickly. 110kg IIRC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 By a strange coincidence, last week I had a meeting with a chap who runs a security fastening company in Sussex.I had an idea for an anti-tamper nut a while back. My prototype sat on my desk for a couple of months and then I thought I'd see if a grown up was interested in manufacturing & selling them under license - to my surprise, he was! They were designed for this very purpose and are easily removable with a special tool. Unlike most of the competition, you cannot remove them by hammering in a screwdriver, nor using stilsons and are fairly grinder resistant. Best of all however, they will handle very high torques. The prototype stripped an M8 thread - and I dare say it could do the same to M10 without sustaining any damage. Watch this space as they say! Si Simon Let me know when you want to trial the prototype John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 The H14W weighs 55kg without the bumper/wire rope (I can pick it up reasonably happy and I make Mr Muscle look tough), the rest of the hydraulics weigh a bit but as has been said you can get quick disconnects. Milemarkers are as light if not lighter than an electric, certainly I would bet a MM-R is lighter than a twin-motor electric. My H14W would be hard to nick as the handle fouls the rad panel, you have to unbolt the rad panel to get the winch in/out. Lucky they don't really break I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Smith Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I have in the past used dome headed allen bolts, and hammered a ball bearing into the hole afterwards. Many toolkits from machinemart etc now have torx and security torx bits in them, and most pikeys will have stolen one of said toolkits by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Pint Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I can't believe thieves nick winches! Some people will nick anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorboy16 Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I can't believe thieves nick winches! Some people will nick anything! people do anything for money and where there is £500 easy money on a certain auction site for the top challenge winches its not to much of a suprise really. james Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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