What ever next

[sheeppimp]

hmm interesting, my old 90 with 200tdi will be affected from 2010 while my dad's disco with 200 tdi won't be......

[BogMonster]

I only ever made the mistake of driving in London once and I shan't be doing it again in anything never mind a LR!

There doesn't seem to be any point as you get lost and there is nowhere to park anyway - the congestion is probably mainly caused by lots of people driving round and round in circles looking for somewhere to park so they would be better off knocking a few of the old buildings down that don't do anything useful - like Buckingham Palace - and making some more parking spaces. Alternatively they could fill in the Thames and turn it into a motorway feeding central London with a good whack of parking space down each side, plenty of room then

[pugwash]

i think it's just another reason if you live in london to get THE most polluting vehicle you can.

After all, if you're gonna pay, yuo mighjt as well pay for a good reason. I always thought a supercharged dodge ciper or similar would do the trick nicely!

[steve b]

......maybe its just coincidence......but 2010 implementation..... mmmmmmm whats happening in 2012 thats going to cost £50 billion?? I'm lucky my work etc doesn't take me anywhere near London..no desire to go inside the m25 at all either B)

Steveb

[Projectblue]

In the words of the song (which was based on a book, or was it a play ) anyway:

'If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.'

Basically if it's allowed to work, it will roll out across every city in the country.

I think that we should fight it by not paying/conforming and overload the system. Sadly the people that can afford to make a stand, and break it, will be the ones to conform.

Fight back, vote for a petrol head as Prime Minister. Neither Red Ken, or Mr Brown even drive (which in my view is damn questionable), can you imagine how much sympathy you are going to get there?

Good luck Land Rover drivers of London, you are going to need it. Either that, or get a vote of no confidence in Ken up and running.

[Jos]

Having spent 7 years living and working in London I left at the end of 2006 - one reason being the nightmarish travelling - I commuted daily from Zone 3 into the centre and out to Sussex / Kent / Thames Valley area depending on my work, and not a day went by without some hold up or another which meant connections were missed, I was late, or worse stranded for ages. Compensation on such occasions was derisory: spend 30 mins filling in a bzyantine form, send off your ticket (which I needed to keep for my tax return) and if your delay had been over an hour and was recognised then you would eventually get a short dated travel warrant for a quarter of your return fare for that leg of the journey; by the time you deducted the cost of the stamp to send the form it was pointless as you got pennies . I rarely drove because of the costs congestion charge and extortionate parking costs meant I couldn't afford to. The GLC (or whatever it's called now) really needs to accept that public transport cannot provide a lot of the working londoner's transport needs and not everyone in London who is working is the employee of a faceless corporation which washes their dirty laundry in the developing world and pays whatever it is asked at home in order to look good. Once this new scheme is introduced what will come next? Probably broader scope (good luck on finding or being able to use public transport towards the extremities of the current zone in any event) and higher fees - the effectiveness of the congestion charge meant not enough vehicles were using the zone to pay for the enforcement so the charge went up - £8, who's that going to stop - the student nurse who works late shifts and has accomodation in a dodgy area in zone 4 which she needs to get back to, or the bankers in their Astons (most of whom arrive in so early they avoid paying anyway...). Ken has occasional good ideas and has improved the busses (but definitely not the trains - I know they're not his remit), and credit to him he does actually use the public transport he extols (I sat opposite him on a tube) but he's losing the plot. London is becoming unworkable as a place to try and live and work as a public sector worker (precisely the sort of people who Ken once professed to care about) or as someone running a small business. Anyway that's one of the reasons I left and moved down to the West Country; since the move I've bought a hybrid and not looked back .

My Land Rover is my hobby and by running it I support local businesses; now, unlike when i lived in London I may pollute a little with diesel particles but I don't go off several times a year on £5 Ryanair flights - I can't think the environment is any worse off as result.

As a parting thought, I wonder if anyone in government has actually looked at the environmental footprint of scrapping an old vehicle and constructing a new one versus maintaining and running an old, albeit less energy efficient one? Maybe they don't want to know the answer?

PS Sorry, I've just re-read this and it turned into a bit of a rant...

[BoatBuoy]

Enter your Reg to see if you pass the Emissions:

http://lezlondon.tfl.gov.uk/lez/vehicles/default.aspx

[Holyzeus]

Well that's me well and truly stuffed in 2010 then. Oh well, time to move out (looking likely) or buy a Sincliar C5...

me too

[q-rover]

Mine doesn´t...

I´m glad I left the U.K. in ´97. Never had i so good.

But life is by no means perfect.

[Holyzeus]

From October 2010... No it won't. (possibly)

Edited to add. Legislation says diesel engined vehicles over 1.205t(Large vans). It does not specify PLG, Light goods or whatever tax class yet......

A transit van/escort van and a disco or defender of this age will be tax class PLG. How will they tell which to include?

No idea....... a car based van is exempt so are vehicles with rear windows and rear seats apparently, how do they work out mine ain't

[ChrisV8]

But surely if all the predictions are right sea level will have risen by 3 metres and you won't be able to drive anywhere by then !!!!!!

Best thing that could happen is that all of London disappears as far as I am concerned preferably floated out into mid Atlantic and all sunk there, red Ken, Bliars lot etc would be the best thing for all of us !

[Les Henson]

I entered catflaps reg (XPU 583L), and got this reply:-

The vehicle was not found on our register.

For UK registered vehicles: if the vehicle was manufactured on or after the 1st of October 2006, no further action is required. If the vehicle was manufactured before the 1st of October 2006 then it may be affected by the Low Emission Zone (LEZ).

For non-UK registered vehicles: the vehicle may be affected by the LEZ. If the vehicle is affected and it meets the emission standards for the LEZ then you need to register your vehicle with Transport for London (TfL) in order to comply. If the vehicle is affected but it does not meet the emission standards for the LEZ then you must pay the daily charge to drive the vehicle in the Zone or you may choose to modify your vehicle and register with TfL.

Les.

[BoatBuoy]

In that case as you sit and watch EastEnders, the DVLA will be heading round your house to crush your vehicle for Tax evasion.

[nobber]

to be fair guys , if you havnt seen this coming then you aint been looking.

at the end of the day we all need to curb our emissions and we really shouldnt have to be forced to do so by ken.

im all for this and my 90 wont meet the standard by 2010 so i guess i will be having one of those filter things fitted.

im alreeady running on veg oil and paying around £1.12 per litre for the privilage but if thats what it takes , thats what it takes.

[Holyzeus]

to be fair guys , if you havnt seen this coming then you aint been looking.

at the end of the day we all need to curb our emissions and we really shouldnt have to be forced to do so by ken.

im all for this and my 90 wont meet the standard by 2010 so i guess i will be having one of those filter things fitted.

im alreeady running on veg oil and paying around £1.12 per litre for the privilage but if thats what it takes , thats what it takes.

the US will do hardly anything and China the worlds fastest growing economy (growing at a rate never seen anywhere before) wont do a thing so being forced by that ***** is gonna save the planet then?

[nobber]

the US will do hardly anything and China the worlds fastest growing economy (growing at a rate never seen anywhere before) wont do a thing so being forced by that ***** is gonna save the planet then?

probably not but at least we tried eh?

[Steve King]

me too

Me too!!!

We're looking to sell up and get out of London next year. I just hope that other councils don't jump on the bandwaggon too...

Steve

[nobber]

Me too!!!

We're looking to sell up and get out of London next year. I just hope that other councils don't jump on the bandwaggon too...

Steve

im off down soof at the end of the month , moved from sydenham to swanley 6 months ago and now im eventually getting out.

found a lovely cottage in the middle of nowhere right close to bewl water. london is way to expencive and even if i could afford to live in it , i wouldnt. i really cant understand why any one would.

[nobber]

the US will do hardly anything and China the worlds fastest growing economy (growing at a rate never seen anywhere before) wont do a thing so being forced by that ***** is gonna save the planet then?

you know the truth is though that china's economy is only growing to feed us with imported rubbish , most of china is on the breadline.

[rob90]

probably not but at least we tried eh?

If you have been brain washed to subscribe to this carp, then do you really think it is going to make any difference what so ever, you're properly celebrating the end of weekly bin collections too?

Myself i believe its another way to raise taxes and cut services,

Is it not true that the temperature started to rise before the industrial revolution and mass burning of fossil fuel ?

Greenland why did it get its name? after permafrost? or because during a time known as the medieval warm period these remote communities thrived of farming?

Even the gcse syllabus teaches there is no link between the two

Maybe its just part of the natural cycle of warmer then cooling off?

[nobber]

If you have been brain washed to subscribe to this carp, then do you really think it is going to make any difference what so ever, you're properly celebrating the end of weekly bin collections too?

Myself i believe its another way to raise taxes and cut services,

Is it not true that the temperature started to rise before the industrial revolution and mass burning of fossil fuel ?

Greenland why did it get its name? after permafrost? or because during a time known as the medieval warm period these remote communities thrived of farming?

Even the gcse syllabus teaches there is no link between the two

the earth is getting warmer , of course it is , but thats no excuse to not bother trying to be less poluting.

the end of weekly bin collections , we have ten years left of land fill sites in the uk, after this there wont be any bin collections.

this of course shouldnt be placed on our door step so to speak , the way we package goods should be changed and the amount of disposable usless carp we buy should be regulated.

do you recycle?

[rob90]

the earth is getting warmer , of course it is , but that's no excuse to not bother trying to be less polluting.

the end of weekly bin collections , we have ten years left of land fill sites in the uk, after this there wont be any bin collections.

this of course shouldnt be placed on our door step so to speak , the way we package goods should be changed and the amount of disposable usless carp we buy should be regulated.

do you recycle?

Yes we recycle, but i resent the prospect of being charged for my rubbish being picked up while the government does nothing to encourage manufactures to cut down on their packaging, The smell from my bin is so bad I just run it to the tip in the back of my landy when they eventually start charging for that it will get burnt in my back garden or dumped on the steps of county hall just like the prison crisis at the moment a bit of pre planning thats all it takes if this had been looked at afew years ago rather at the last minute backed up with draconian rules and fines?

The firm I work for has just bought 100 gallons of biodiesel for our vans/waggons and diggers fair play to them but i cant buy it any where for my car

Im all for being less polluting but stop hammering people with stupid charges promote LPG make biodiesel more accessible

Its just another way to take more money out of my pocket its nothing to do with the environment nothing at all, like speed cameras like fines for putting rubbish out on the wrong day or you re lid being up on you re micro chipped bin, its down to getting more money remember blairs a ling ba####d

[sheeppimp]

i know this is wandering off topic BUT we already pay for our rubbish to be collected as part of the Council Robbery so while i appreciate the problem i object to being charged twice. Fortnightly on the other hand - no problem had it at my last home and it was fine - no rats or nasty smells (from the bins anyway..)

back to the topic as i read it it only applies to diseasel so conversion to hoofing great V8 has to be tempting surely

[rob90]

i know this is wandering off topic BUT we already pay for our rubbish to be collected as part of the Council Robbery so while i appreciate the problem i object to being charged twice. Fortnightly on the other hand - no problem had it at my last home and it was fine - no rats or nasty smells (from the bins anyway..)

back to the topic as i read it it only applies to diseasel so conversion to hoofing great V8 has to be tempting surely

While a big v8 is always tempting Who the hell is red ken to tell me to to pay an extra £100 to drive my diesel down roads i have all ready paid to build/drive

[nobber]

Yes we recycle, but i resent the prospect of being charged for my rubbish being picked up while the government does nothing to encourage manufactures to cut down on their packaging, The smell from my bin is so bad I just run it to the tip in the back of my landy when they eventually start charging for that it will get burnt in my back garden or dumped on the steps of county hall just like the prison crisis at the moment a bit of pre planning thats all it takes if this had been looked at afew years ago rather at the last minute backed up with draconian rules and fines?

The firm I work for has just bought 100 gallons of biodiesel for our vans/waggons and diggers fair play to them but i cant buy it any where for my car

I'm all for being less polluting but stop hammering people with stupid charges promote LPG make bio diesel more accessible

Its just another way to take more money out of my pocket its nothing to do with the environment nothing at all, like speed cameras like fines for putting rubbish out on the wrong day or you re lid being up on you re micro chipped bin, its down to getting more money remember Blair's a ling ba####d

i totally agree with you but I'm not sure if its that black and white. the government wont take the manufacturers head on and impose restrictions upon the way in which they package goods , simply because most goods are packaged in different country's (sainsburys tomato's are picked here , shipped to Poland to be packed and then shipped back here again to be sold, its cheaper this way , the only draw back being the only tomatoes hardy enough to make this journey are tasteless , or was that strawberry's?) so they will always find a way to wriggle out of it , the only way to make them change is to directly effect the customers who buy the products , if we don't buy them because of how they are packaged they will have to change the

way they package them.

if you cant get bio diesel , chuck some veg oil in your tank , from next month the first 2500 litres will be tax free. you have to declare how much you use at present but i don't see why you cant declare a small percentage of what you really use and i think they know this.

as for speed cameras , a good idea exploited by local councils. brilliant things to have out side schools etc.

at the end of the day its not up to our government to make the world better ,they obviously arnt up to the challenge. its up to us.