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HI,

I'm preparing my 110 for my trip to Dakar in November. I will be traveling trough the Atlas en through the the Sahara. I will be doing this for a charity raid.

Now I'm in the middle of the buildup of my 110.

It went from this 110 hicap:

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To this:

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To this:

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See Yellow Landrovers, Amsterdam-Dakar

I've mounted The extra heavy duty Bearmach springs all around with OME dampers. The weight of the vehicle is now about 2500 kg but will be about 2900 kg travel ready. I've been driving it around with the new camperunit and the new springs. At first it seemed okay with the body roll. But now the springs have slightly settled the body roll became worse. So I would like to do something about this.

I think are a few options:

- Mount more heavy duty springs (are there any available???)

- Mount anti rollbars front and rear (probably will do so but is this enough??)

- Mount Koni's all around and ajust to hardest setting (accordingly to my local landy specialist, but I don't think dampers have anything to do with body roll)

- Mount 130 helper springs. (Are to short because of the lift of the Blue springs)

- Mount airbag's inside the spring (available from Bearmach but haven't found anyone yet whose tested them, but have one plus, because I can get them for free from one of my sponsors, but then there is the risk of them being not up to the african roads.....)

I hope you guys can help me out with the question for the best option or have any info about the airbags.

Thx for the input!

Cheers Bowy

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- Mount airbag's inside the spring (available from Bearmach but haven't found anyone yet whose tested them, but have one plus, because I can get them for free from one of my sponsors, but then there is the risk of them being not up to the african roads.....)

A mate has these on his TD5 it tows a large trailer with a mini digger/Land rover/Concrete and anything else that he needs the airbags work a treat and stop any sag when the trailer if attached.

so I reckon they'd work well for your set up, plus you can add/remove air as needed.

his have been fitted for a couple of years and given no problems

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You don't list anti roll bars. Are these already fitted or an option you could add? Not great for the ramp but for real world travel with compliant springs they can come into their own.

A front anti roll bar, and 110 (wolf) double spring setup at the rear, with a two inch spacer underneath.

Luwts

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Heavily laden 110's that I've seen (inc. Camel IIRC) have double springs. I would imagine suspension endurance and general handling would be more the order of the day than articulation if it's a rally-style thing?

It's kind of rally style thing. But not with high speeds. So articulation is not really that important but handling is! (15000 km in 5 weeks......)

Helper springs with 2 inch blocks is an option, only problem then is the bottoming out on these blocks??

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- Mount airbag's inside the spring (available from Bearmach but haven't found anyone yet whose tested them, but have one plus, because I can get them for free from one of my sponsors, but then there is the risk of them being not up to the african roads.....)

A mate has these on his TD5 it tows a large trailer with a mini digger/Land rover/Concrete and anything else that he needs the airbags work a treat and stop any sag when the trailer if attached.

so I reckon they'd work well for your set up, plus you can add/remove air as needed.

his have been fitted for a couple of years and given no problems

Tony thx for sharing your experience. Sounds good. Will fit those. But first will fit the anti roll bars. So I can find out how much every single modification does for the handling.

Cheers Bowy

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Tony thx for sharing your experience. Sounds good. Will fit those. But first will fit the anti roll bars. So I can find out how much every single modification does for the handling.

Cheers Bowy

For my money, I would go for front & rear anti roll bars plus the air bag inserts. They are doing the same job as the inner springs, but give you adjustability so you can set it up just as you need it.

Si

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I would under no circumstance fit an air spring to a vehicle going through the sahara. You only need one stone to get between this an the coilspring and you can kiss goodby to these. I would get genuine heavy dutys or Old Man Emus to a poundage you feel happy with and add anti roll bars front and rear to counteract roll once you decided what poundage is good. If you are happy with the current poundage, just add anti roll bars (maybe 2 at the rear if needed). The suspension for a vehicle that is going through the sahara is the most important thing you want to worry about.

There is little point adding poundage to the springs (either by airbags or extra springs) to counteract roll; it will make the ride harder and more parts fall off your vehicle/loose fillings out of your teeth.

Leuke trip trouwens; Ik was recentelijk al op je website!

Succes, Daan

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I would under no circumstance fit an air spring to a vehicle going through the sahara. You only need one stone to get between this an the coilspring and you can kiss goodby to these. I would get genuine heavy dutys or Old Man Emus to a poundage you feel happy with and add anti roll bars front and rear to counteract roll once you decided what poundage is good. If you are happy with the current poundage, just add anti roll bars (maybe 2 at the rear if needed). The suspension for a vehicle that is going through the sahara is the most important thing you want to worry about.

There is little point adding poundage to the springs (either by airbags or extra springs) to counteract roll; it will make the ride harder and more parts fall off your vehicle/loose fillings out of your teeth.

Leuke trip trouwens; Ik was recentelijk al op je website!

Succes, Daan

Daan Thx for the input! I Think you're right about the stones inside the airbags, but think I will mount them anyway after fitting the rollbars and be satisfied. Promised one of the sponsors to test them....:D

The springs are allready the right poundage I think. So Let's put one or maube 2 antirollbars under it (heafvy duty ones are way!!! to expensive sadly). Any chance of pic of that setup?

Grappig dat je de site al gevonden had!!

Cheers Bowy

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Have you thought about radically attacking the wieght of you vehicle and the stuff you are going to take?? The lighter the motor the less work suspension, axles, gearboxes, engines have to. Added bonus in that you will be less likely to get bogged in the sand and if you do it will be easier to extract it. Also the lighter it is the less likely you will break some thing, so you may be able to cut the wieght of spares down. Might make the trip far easier and less stress compared to routinely getting a 3 tonne monster stuck in very hot conditions?

Adrian

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Hi People,

I used the airbags inside the extra heavy duty OME rear springs of my expedition prepped RRC and have used them in the deserts of Saudi Arabia

for several years now.

i've never had any problems with them and i guess the total loaded vehicle weight to be over 3.5 tons, I've had more problems bending axle casings.

In practice there are no gaps for stones to get into unless you run them un-inflated in the desert then pump them up.

The anti-roll bars are highly recommended, otherwise get some roller skates and attach them to the door handles.

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I would fit anti roll bars first if that isn't enough double damper it at the rear. I am not sure but the Britpart springs cannot have been scragged or they would not have settled so quickly. If they are the HD ones aren't they rated at 500lbs an inch?. My dad has a 130 rapier which also carries a demountable he fit some lovells I think they are about 490lbs but when empty they still give a little . You don't want to be lifting it any higher than you have to. I spoke to someone at Billing this year who had a 130 camper and had put a stiffer rear anti roll bar on from scrapiron and he said it had transformed the handling. Also my dad removed some Old Man Emu dampers and fit some Koni heavy track raid dampers and said it only made a slight difference. So go for the twin dampers they will stiffen the roll up a bit.

Gaza

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- Mount airbag's inside the spring (available from Bearmach but haven't found anyone yet whose tested them,

ask the hobbit he had a set of them off me on long term test for TOR

dave if they still exist can i have them back otherwise i have got to buy some for my disco :)

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I did a fair few miles on the test set that Yeovil 4x4 supplied. Including desert work and very heavy towing/load carrying. Nary a problem. They are on a RRC in Spain now that does tours of Spain, Morroco and Algeria. He is continuing the 'destruction testing' and is more than impressed. They show no signs of wear depsite the best part of 80k miles. They are still fitted to the original Britpart springs (yellow plus 2"). I was a doubter but they have more than proven their worth and reliability.

Paul, you can have them back in about six months okay...

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I did a fair few miles on the test set that Yeovil 4x4 supplied. Including desert work and very heavy towing/load carrying. Nary a problem. They are on a RRC in Spain now that does tours of Spain, Morroco and Algeria. He is continuing the 'destruction testing' and is more than impressed. They show no signs of wear depsite the best part of 80k miles. They are still fitted to the original Britpart springs (yellow plus 2"). I was a doubter but they have more than proven their worth and reliability.

Paul, you can have them back in about six months okay...

Hobbit, Do you know which brand they are? I can get a set of Bearmach's sponsored so will try those, but just curious.

Cheers Bowy

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Hobbit, Do you know which brand they are? I can get a set of Bearmach's sponsored so will try those, but just curious.

Cheers Bowy

they were bearmach ones if you wait till the morning should be able to tell you which ones

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  • 3 weeks later...

Last weekend I've mounted the antirollbars.

First the rear. Already some difference noticeable. Then also the front. Now a major difference is noticeable. It now handles like a normal 110.

Then the airspring on top of the anti rollbars. Pumped to 30 psi (the hard setting) It now handles VERY well. I can corner very fast and overtaking is like a normal passenger car! (even with 2600 kg total weight and a heavy unit and rooftent!!!)

Top solution! Now finding out how everything will last.

Cheers Bowy

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