BigSi110 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Posted on behalf of a colleague: 2005 D3. Just filled with Diesel. Foot down; no power; loads of white smoke. It's now with his LR dealer and they reckon £6,500 of engine damage. They diagnose it was filled with petrol. I've suggested turbo problems. Anyone able to offer some suggestions. Is the delaer possibly correct? Thanks! Si. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gruntus Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Posted on behalf of a colleague:2005 D3. Just filled with Diesel. Foot down; no power; loads of white smoke. It's now with his LR dealer and they reckon £6,500 of engine damage. They diagnose it was filled with petrol. I've suggested turbo problems. Anyone able to offer some suggestions. Is the delaer possibly correct? Thanks! Si. Hi Si, Filling a modern diesel with petrol doesn't usually wreck the engine, I have a friend who done the same with a new laguna last year and all it needed was the fuel flushed out, the system primed and certainly not £6,500 to fix. IMHO I personally think they are at it and would demand a thorough report and a second opinion from an independant garage. Regards G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 £6500 is about right if you have run it on petrol until it stops. Land Rover have issued dealers with a fixed program of works in these cases. To retain full warranty this has to be carried out. You could probably get it running with a flush out, but loose the warranty. The good news is that most D3's that I've heard of this happening too, have been paid for by insurance. Its accidental damage. If it was a BP garage, and Ultimate Petrol was mistaken for Ultimate Deisel, then you could sue them because the logos are very similar. I have heard of sucessful cases. I know this is cheeky, but there are some very good specialised disco3 forums on the web, with lots of tales like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 If it was a BP garage, and Ultimate Petrol was mistaken for Ultimate Deisel, then you could sue them because the logos are very similar. I have heard of sucessful cases. Crikey.... you can sue people now because you don't open your eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks90 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Crikey.... you can sue people now because you don't open your eyes? i have to admit - i've done this with my tdi90. was 3am, been working and driving for 14 hours straight and i was in a rush to get home. In the crappy garage lighting the colours and logo are almost identical, so unless you really look and check on the pump to see the little line is next to 'diesel' it is all too easy to do. made a rubbish day even worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 It's impossible to tell what was in the tank from a 'he says X but they say Y' account. Take a fuel sample and prove it either way? If it's a full tank they won't miss a cupful. If they've drained the tank to determine the damage, ask for a sample of the drained fuel (and if they've disposed of it, ask how). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 My dad's just done this to his Vito, £500 to drop the tank, clean it and the fuel lines, change every seal up to the engine and change the fuel filter. He did 150 miles before the engine actually stopped. there was about 25% - 30% petrol in a full tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Has he got a receipt to prove what fuel it was? That would be the deciding factor to prove who was right and who was wrong. I think the LR warranty policy is that you MUST replace everything in such cases or the warranty ceases to be valid. Not sure if "everything" includes the entire engine but certainly every single bit of the fuel system injectors etc. I'm guessing the price quoted is to cover all that. I'm also guessing most people would choose to dump the warranty and not pay that much! It does sound like petrol is a possibility though, from the symptoms. Turbos do go but its normally the electrical actuator for the VNT bit, and there are other fairly common failures like EGR valves but none of them give lots of white smoke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 one of our company diesel Saab's had 20 quid of unleaded put in it and was run until it stopped (really not me i just got a call to tow it home ).. so i filled up the rest of the tank with diesel whipped off the fuel filter and refilled that with diesel too replacing the petrol that was in there It started after a few turns, then a few smoky runs up and down the M27 and it was fine it been in for a service and other warranty work since ...... so all looks clear with the dealer..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSi110 Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 Ok guys. Thanks a lot!! Will pass this on. He regrets selling his Td5 D2 to get this. Hindshight eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Think a Td5 reacts much the same to having petrol in it TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSG Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Think a Td5 reacts much the same to having petrol in it TBH I think Si means that he regrets not selling the TD5 Disco and buying a 110 B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 a mate put £20 worth of unleaded in his derv RR (new shape about 3 years old now I think), just filled it the brim with derv as he was late to go the airport and it was fine, that was several months ago. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc1187 Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 As betsy says, there is a bulletin from land rover detailing what needs replacing when run on petrol, usually all the high pressure fuel system ie: injectors and pipes, injection pump, fuel rails and flush the low pressure side if its only run for a certain time/mileage (not sure what). I have seen one that was run till the engine died, further inspection found a couple of camshafts snapped in a few places after the injection pump seized, it needs the diesel for lubrication, one complete engine later and it was fixed! Expensive mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJIbex Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 I see about 2 a month through the workshop with mis-fuel. Most of ours don't need engine change as most people reliase before they move of or before it stops. The £6500 is about right for new engine and fuel system, most people claim it on the insurance. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betsy Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 If you have a D3 or RRS, and accidentally misfuel it, then hopefully you will notice BEFORE you turn the key. Turn the key and you will start the fuel pump in the tank which will contaminate the system. If you have not turned the key, then you will get away with a tank drain and flush if you can get it recovered to a garage. Problem is, they have electronic park brakes, and you need to make sure the recovery driver knows how to release the EPB without turning the key. If you remove the panel behind the park brake switch, there is a cable with a loop end, put the jack handle in and pull VERY hard. It will release the park brake and allow the vehicle to be winched onto the recovery truck. Don't turn the key ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Crikey.... you can sue people now because you don't open your eyes? my sentiments exactly; next thing you can drink drive and sue the supermarket for the carnage because beercans look just like coke cans. If you have a D3 or RRS, and accidentally misfuel it, then hopefully you will notice BEFORE you turn the key. Turn the key and you will start the fuel pump in the tank which will contaminate the system. If you have not turned the key, then you will get away with a tank drain and flush if you can get it recovered to a garage.Problem is, they have electronic park brakes, and you need to make sure the recovery driver knows how to release the EPB without turning the key. If you remove the panel behind the park brake switch, there is a cable with a loop end, put the jack handle in and pull VERY hard. It will release the park brake and allow the vehicle to be winched onto the recovery truck. Don't turn the key ! I dont believe a disco 3 is the way forward for simple minds such like myself. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougstar Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 yep and soon we will start calling pop 'soda' all have a 'therapist' and be looking under the 'hood' to check the oil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 If there is some doubt over whether diesel or unleaded was put in the tank, the alternative hypothesis goes along the lines of whether the fuel delivery truck driver put diesel in the forecourt diesel tank? Do road fuel tankers / forecourt tanks have different fittings for the different fuels? What if you were buying the super unleaded at super prices and getting bog standard? Or what if you were buying the super bling diesel at inflated prices and getting bog standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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